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More lucrative for A&M to stay in Big 12?
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:26 am
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:26 am
Ok, my friend is a Big 12 homer and just sent me this in an email. I don't care enough to research it but is some of this true?
Says that A&M will not be given a full share of the SEC TV money upfront and even if they were given one, they would make more with the 20m that the Big 12 guaranteed them when we went through all of this last year.
So, we now know that they are not moving because they will get more money, they are not moving because the Longhorn Network is causing an unfair recruiting advantage since the Big 12 already announced that they couldn’t show high school games, and we know they are not leaving for the major increase in recruiting since they are already top 10 nationally every year anyway.
Which begs the question, why are they leaving? I’m so mad that I’m coming to the realization that when you couple the 15m dollar exit fee and potential law suits, A&M decision makers are going to choose to not move and we’ll be stuck with them longer.
Says that A&M will not be given a full share of the SEC TV money upfront and even if they were given one, they would make more with the 20m that the Big 12 guaranteed them when we went through all of this last year.
So, we now know that they are not moving because they will get more money, they are not moving because the Longhorn Network is causing an unfair recruiting advantage since the Big 12 already announced that they couldn’t show high school games, and we know they are not leaving for the major increase in recruiting since they are already top 10 nationally every year anyway.
Which begs the question, why are they leaving? I’m so mad that I’m coming to the realization that when you couple the 15m dollar exit fee and potential law suits, A&M decision makers are going to choose to not move and we’ll be stuck with them longer.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 8:30 am
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Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:34 am to Stromile Swift
This is an internet fueled ego trip.
A&M's culture is prohibitive to success on the football field, which is why they only won one title in the 30s when they were a radically different school and haven't had a top 5 finish in over a half century (and only have 2 top 5 finishes in their history).
Winning national titles and consistently going to BCS games is not an option for A&M. They have to look for victories in other avenues. They will declare a "victory" because they changed conferences. This will mean a lot to them. They will be as excited about this as Auburn was in winning a national title. They will make t-shirts about it. They will look forward to one day telling their grand kids about it.
They also want to be able to go into the conference rooms and offices with their Tech and Longhorn co-workers and beat their chests and declare that they are in the best conference. This will also mean a lot to them. The equal revenue sharing in the SEC means entitlement, in reputation and money. It doesn't bother them that they didn't help build the SEC to what it is now. A&M can't earn something on their own so they are happy to exchange to coattails of Texas for those of an entire conference. This will pacify the fan base for probably a half decade.
A&M's culture is prohibitive to success on the football field, which is why they only won one title in the 30s when they were a radically different school and haven't had a top 5 finish in over a half century (and only have 2 top 5 finishes in their history).
Winning national titles and consistently going to BCS games is not an option for A&M. They have to look for victories in other avenues. They will declare a "victory" because they changed conferences. This will mean a lot to them. They will be as excited about this as Auburn was in winning a national title. They will make t-shirts about it. They will look forward to one day telling their grand kids about it.
They also want to be able to go into the conference rooms and offices with their Tech and Longhorn co-workers and beat their chests and declare that they are in the best conference. This will also mean a lot to them. The equal revenue sharing in the SEC means entitlement, in reputation and money. It doesn't bother them that they didn't help build the SEC to what it is now. A&M can't earn something on their own so they are happy to exchange to coattails of Texas for those of an entire conference. This will pacify the fan base for probably a half decade.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 8:36 am
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:38 am to Stromile Swift
The Longhorn Network is BS, more so since they will be televising high school games (I think that is still the case).
I think A&M is being proactive and seeing the writing on the wall. The Big 12 is not viable long term. Losing Nebraska and Colorado was the best indication.
I think A&M is being proactive and seeing the writing on the wall. The Big 12 is not viable long term. Losing Nebraska and Colorado was the best indication.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:56 am to Stromile Swift
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Says that A&M will not be given a full share of the SEC TV money upfront and even if they were given one, they would make more with the 20m that the Big 12 guaranteed them when we went through all of this last year.
I'm not sure on the specifics of either deal, but I'm going to call bullshite on this. I'm pretty sure if the SEC expands they are going to renegotiate the TV deal. Also, I don't believe for one second that if A&M comes they won't get an equal share of the money.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 8:58 am to Chicken
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The Longhorn Network is BS, more so since they will be televising high school games (I think that is still the case).
NCAA put the squash on that. The issue is can they show "highlights" which (conveniently) feature UT commits (such as Johnathan Gray from Aledo).
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I think A&M is being proactive and seeing the writing on the wall. The Big 12 is not viable long term. Losing Nebraska and Colorado was the best indication.
A&M learned from the 2010 mess (which, BTW, was how I found your excellent TD venture
) that it has brand appeal apart from Texas. It needs to differentiate itself from Texas if it wants to go to the next level athletically; only a complete break from Texas will allow it to do so. Moving its athletic programs (especially football) to the SEC (the dominant conference in football, college athletics' money-maker) is IMHO the best option.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:07 am to Stromile Swift
it preposterous to think that these issues have not been settled before they move forward
yes, as it stands, if the SEC/ESPN/CBS contract doesnt change, equal revenue sharing would give A&M less money than if they stay in the Big12. There's no way Slive has not already had some preliminary discussion with the networks as the "window clause" comes up after the 2012 season.
yes, as it stands, if the SEC/ESPN/CBS contract doesnt change, equal revenue sharing would give A&M less money than if they stay in the Big12. There's no way Slive has not already had some preliminary discussion with the networks as the "window clause" comes up after the 2012 season.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 9:20 am
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:18 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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This is an internet fueled ego trip.
Presidents and BOR make these decisions not message board tards like ourselves. And Presidents have one clear top priority: straight cash holmes.
If A&M was looking at less money in the SEC than the Big12, this board wouldn't exist.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:23 am to LA kid but AU fan
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f A&M was looking at less money in the SEC than the Big12, this board wouldn't exist.
If they were in the SEC this year then they would have gotten less money than what they will get in the Big 12 this year. The SEC only dispersed $18.3 million to each member school where A&M is due $20 million minimum.
What everyone is assuming is that adding conference will allow us to get a new TV contract and that 18.3 number will go up. It more than likely will happen but it's still a gamble considering they are also jumping in to a conference with a lot more competition than what they currently face.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:24 am to Chicken
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The Longhorn Network is BS, more so since they will be televising high school games (I think that is still the case). I think A&M is being proactive and seeing the writing on the wall. The Big 12 is not viable long term. Losing Nebraska and Colorado was the best indication.
Chicken, you were wrong on everything you said. No high school games or highlights on the LHN. Losing A&m, Nebraska & Colorado doesn't mean much to the Big 12. None has won a conference title in a long, long time. Nebraska lost 9 of 10 to Texas, they were an afterthought. Lots of teams would want in a Big 12 where they can control their own tier 3 rights (like Florida does in the SEC).
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but I'm going to call bullshite on this. I'm pretty sure if the SEC expands they are going to renegotiate the TV deal.
The SEC TV contracts allow for "look ins" but the networks are not obligated to increase their payouts for many, many years. All SEC members in theory could take a $ hit because of A&M joining.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:29 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Presidents and BOR make these decisions not message board tards like ourselves. And Presidents have one clear top priority: straight cash holmes.
A lot of prominent people have suggested that this move would have never happened without Twitter and message boards.
Is it about $? Maybe a bit more but it could be a wash for the next 20 years considering the buyout.
Is it because it is easier to win the conference or go to a BCS game in the SEC? Nope
This is about pacifying a fan base. This move is a "victory" to aggie football fans, most of which haven't seen a top 5 finish or a national title in their lifetimes. They needed SOMETHING. This fits the bill.
What will aggie cry about in the SEC? I think it will be the cheating. Aggie will be screaming at the tops of their lungs about this in the coming years and it will drive the other SEC members crazy.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:32 am to Uncle Stu
the SEC tv contracts state that if the conference were to increase in numbers, then the TV rights would be renegotiated.
The PR firm that U of Texas hired is good. People are losing focus and disputing the facts.
The number being bandied about is 34 million to each school if Texas ATM and either (Missourri / OU / Va Tech NC State) were to join.
The state of Texas of is currently dominated by the Longhorns. But that direction will chage if ATM were to join. The SEC and ATM will take advantage of the brutal schedule to help build their brand and recruiting.
On the weekend when Texas is playing juggernaut Kansas, ATM/SEC will be sure to schedule Alabama / Auburn / UGA etc. etc.
The SEC lives off the principle that the "whole is stronger than its parts" The current TV contract allows a school like Mississippi State to go out and hire a big up and coming name like Dan Mullen. IMO, MIss State would compete for the Big 12 title this year, if they played in that conference.
For those that say ATM can't compete in the SEC: Imagine a coach of Nick Saban's caliber at the school. With a huge TV contract, ATM could go out and hire(pay) that kind of coach, and pay his staff.
The PR firm that U of Texas hired is good. People are losing focus and disputing the facts.
The number being bandied about is 34 million to each school if Texas ATM and either (Missourri / OU / Va Tech NC State) were to join.
The state of Texas of is currently dominated by the Longhorns. But that direction will chage if ATM were to join. The SEC and ATM will take advantage of the brutal schedule to help build their brand and recruiting.
On the weekend when Texas is playing juggernaut Kansas, ATM/SEC will be sure to schedule Alabama / Auburn / UGA etc. etc.
The SEC lives off the principle that the "whole is stronger than its parts" The current TV contract allows a school like Mississippi State to go out and hire a big up and coming name like Dan Mullen. IMO, MIss State would compete for the Big 12 title this year, if they played in that conference.
For those that say ATM can't compete in the SEC: Imagine a coach of Nick Saban's caliber at the school. With a huge TV contract, ATM could go out and hire(pay) that kind of coach, and pay his staff.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:34 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Losing A&m, Nebraska & Colorado doesn't mean much to the Big 12. None has won a conference title in a long, long time. Nebraska lost 9 of 10 to Texas, they were an afterthought
that's just such flawed logic
even if you beat them, you still had the opportunity to play them. Highlighting your victories over them doesnt lessen the blow that losing them drastically weakens your conference. NU was still Nebraska, beating them means something. Sure as hell means alot more than beating Houston or Louisville. Granted UT and OU have sat atop the conference for many years, but they cant get there without having other quality opponents to play along the way
that's just shortsightedness
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:34 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Chicken, you were wrong on everything you said.
Oh the irony.
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Losing A&M, Nebraska & Colorado doesn't mean much to the Big 12.
While you're completely wrong on many levels with this, the most important level is that these three teams were very lucrative in terms of television dollars especially when compared with remaining Big XII teams. Nebraska brings in the entire state of Nebraska and like A&M has an extremely dedicated fan base. Colorado brings in the Denver television market. This is basically teams 3, 4 and 5 in terms of value to the conference.
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Lots of teams would want in a Big 12 where they can control their own tier 3 rights (like Florida does in the SEC).
No one in a BCS conference would EVER leave to join the Big XII at this point. The perceptions of instability are VERY real, don't kid yourself.
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The SEC TV contracts allow for "look ins" but the networks are not obligated to increase their payouts for many, many years. All SEC members in theory could take a $ hit because of A&M joining.
This is completely preposterous. Note this section from Kristi Dosh's report..
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Most would agree a move to the SEC will benefit Texas A&M. In addition to what I’ve already mentioned, it will see a rise in conference distributions. In 2010, the Big 12 distributed $139 million between member institutions. As most of you are aware, the Big 12 does not distribute television money equally. According to Texas A&M financial documents, their portion of the conference distribution was $9.3 million, not including bowl game reimbursements. Meanwhile, over in the SEC $209 million was distributed equally between member institutions in 2010 for a total of $17.42 million each, not including bowl reimbursements.
That means Texas A&M would have nearly doubled its conference receipts if it had been in the SEC last year. That is, of course, not taking into account the SEC revenue pie being split into smaller slices with the addition of Texas A&M and presumably at least one other school. However, the SEC wouldn’t be adding members if it weren’t confident it was getting enough from a new television contract to keep conference distributions at or above current levels.
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Dr, all you're doing is regurgitating the drivel from Orangebloods and the like on this deal and it's pretty sad.
This post was edited on 8/26/11 at 9:40 am
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:34 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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What will aggie cry about in the SEC? I think it will be the cheating.
Yes, because noone else in the SEC discusses Cam, T-Town Menswear, Akiem Hicks getting paid, Tennessee and Alabama's recent secondary violations.
Please.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:36 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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A lot of prominent people have suggested that this move would have never happened without Twitter and message boards.
Name the "prominent people" who have said that. Chip Brown != a prominent person.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:38 am to cjared036
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the SEC tv contracts state that if the conference were to increase in numbers, then the TV rights would be renegotiated.
just to clarify that a bit
what it states is that if the number of member schools change (increase OR decrease) that after 2012 they agree to sit down and talk about it. Nowhere does it guarantee that the deal must be redone. Although in the good faith of the contract if the SEC television market expands, failure to revisit the contract could result in 3rd party mediation.
(And this came from an interview I listened to on the radio with some lawyer who had knowledge of the contract)
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:39 am to GerryDiNardo
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Losing A&m, Nebraska & Colorado doesn't mean much to the Big 12
stop right there and pass the crack pipe...
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:39 am to cjared036
Nothing A&M does is going to change the fact that the state of Texas is dominated by the Longhorns.
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:43 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Losing A&m, Nebraska & Colorado doesn't mean much to the Big 12
Or are you one of those who think Notre Dame is going to break down the door to join the Big 12?
Have fun with Southern Miss and LA Tech
Posted on 8/26/11 at 9:44 am to Stromile Swift
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For years, there’s this one Texas blowhard—he’s a big donor—who bragged that A&M would never go to the SEC because the SEC didn’t want it.
“The SEC wants Texas,” he’d say, “and the only way A&M gets in is if Texas goes too.”
I guess he owes me a cold on. Texas A&M is headed off to a great adventure, to being part of the greatest college football conference in America. From Tuscaloosa to Gainesville to Auburn, A&M will be part of something special. I laugh when I heard SEC folks talking about A&M bringing the Texas television market with them. That’s silly talk. We’re already tuned into the SEC in the fall.
Only now, some of us will have a little bit more of a rooting interest in the SEC, and if I’m lucky enough to attend a few games, I’ll get to see these iconic places. I’ve been to games in Baton Rouge, Auburn, Gainesville and Fayetteville, but I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen a Alabama or Georgia home game. I imagine the Aggies won’t be feeling completely sporty until the paperwork is finished, but it’s easy to understand why they’re excited.
They’ve traded the Texas arrogance to be part of the best of the best. As Lew Temple says, “Good on ‘em.”
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