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chinese58 
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| NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 12:47 p.m.)
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If a recruiting or scouting service, such as Rivals.com, provides nonscholastic video that is not available for free to the general public, then an institution may not subscribe to the service per Bylaw 13.14.3. All recruiting/scouting services are held to the same legislated standard and we consider Rivals.com to be a recruiting/scouting service. The staff has issued a staff interpretation (4/29/09) and two educational columns (3/10/2009 and 5/4/2010) that discuss this issue generally that I have included below.
The league coaches were instructed to immediately cancel any subscriptions to Rivals.com and to report a secondary recruiting violation if they were or ever have been subscribed (paid or complimentary).
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cdav114
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 12:49 p.m. to chinese58)
wow.
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chinese58
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 12:53 p.m. to cdav114)
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wow.
In my haste to link I didn't see this:
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The academic and membership affairs staff determined that it is not permissible for an institution to obtain video (e.g., live streaming video, recorded video) of any nonscholastic activities, including regular game and all-star competition, or any summer camp or clinic competition, through a subscription fee or other associated fee paid to a recruiting or scouting service. Further, it is not permissible to obtain any nonscholastic video that is available only to a select group of individuals (e.g., coaches), even if there is no charge associated with such individuals accessing the video.
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nonscholastic activities,
Maybe now we'll get to see a five star guy taking a math test! 
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sportsfan
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 12:54 p.m. to cdav114)
With all the underhanded stuff going on, the NCAA decides to pick on Rivals? Why not go after the douche bags that are actually creating the problem?
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chinese58
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 12:58 p.m. to sportsfan)
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NCAA decides to pick on Rivals?
they started this with Rivals because everyone knows who they are. Kind of like the Feds going after Bonds.
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the douche bags that are actually creating the problem?
a few of the douche bags worked for "legitamite" recruiting servies before they branched out on their own.
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The Mick
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 12:59 p.m. to sportsfan)
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With all the underhanded stuff going on, the NCAA decides to pick on Rivals? Why not go after the douche bags that are actually creating the problem?
Agree, but I wouldnt be shocked to find out that some schools are paying Rivals more than a $20/month subscription. This is interesting stuff.
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Slinger16 
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 1:00 p.m. to chinese58)
How are they going to be able to monitor this?
Are they going to be able to track internet usage at every schools athletic department?
What about a coach's home computer?
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chinese58
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 1:19 p.m. to Slinger16)
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How are they going to be able to monitor this?
don't know but Auburn fans on the SEC Rant are already saying the coaches can go to Lowder's house to watch the videos
This may really put the services out of business:
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No, it is not permissible for a coach to access videos of prospective student-athletes participating in nonscholastic activities under an arrangement that requires a subscription to other information (e.g., player profiles, rosters). In this situation, access to the video of nonscholastic activities is contingent on the purchase of or subscription to other information (e.g., player profiles, rosters) and, for the purposes of NCAA recruiting rules, both services would be considered part of a full subscription package. In order for a coach to observe video of nonscholastic activities, the other information (e.g., written information) and the video access cannot be marketed as a package and there cannot be any requirement, direct or implied, that a coach must purchase the other information (e.g., written information) in order to access the video. Further, the video must be made available to the general public at no charge.
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Atari 
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 1:21 p.m. to sportsfan)
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With all the underhanded stuff going on, the NCAA decides to pick on Rivals? Why not go after the douche bags that are actually creating the problem?
Rivals is just a name they're using, this will help them get rid of the guys like Will Lyles.
He's a recruiting "service" that promises to deliver the kid to a school for a certain amount of money, the school pays him for recruiting videos and magically the kid goes to that school. The NCAA can't prove that the kid went there because of Lyles but now the schools can't give Lyles any money.
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Slinger16
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 1:23 p.m. to chinese58)
I doubt recruiting services get most of their revenue from universities. This ruling isn't going to change anything. Once video is posted on the internet it will find its way to a coaches computer if a kid is good enough.
I think the role of internet recruiting services is over-stated when it comes to programs actually scouting potential players.
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baytiger 
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 1:25 p.m. to Slinger16)
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I doubt recruiting services get most of their revenue from universities. This ruling isn't going to change anything. Once video is posted on the internet it will find its way to a coaches computer if a kid is good enough.
this, but it's pretty likely that more services will offer free videos now.
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BenDover 
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 1:55 p.m. to chinese58)
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The league coaches were instructed to immediately cancel any subscriptions to Rivals.com and to report a secondary recruiting violation if they were or ever have been subscribed
Wow, so they make it illegal and then tell every school to report a violation? It was perfectly legal when they were doing it. The NCAA needs to seriously start treading with caution, they're becoming more and more like a dictatorship.
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OBUDan
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 2:06 p.m. to chinese58)
I think the thread title is a little misleading, no?
They aren't shutting them down, they are just prohibiting schools from using them...
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225rumpshaker
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 2:29 p.m. to OBUDan)
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I think the thread title is a little misleading, no?
+1
First thought when reading the title was damn rivals and scout are being shutdown. TD.com traffic is about to sky rocket.....
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Suntiger 
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 3:26 p.m. to chinese58)
What's Clean got to say about this?
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chinese58
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 4:23 p.m. to OBUDan)
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They aren't shutting them down, they are just prohibiting schools from using them...
Will they survive without the programs being involved?
I thought most of these servie's money came form the schools not individuals.
I would think Rivals and Scout were part of these expendatures:
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LSU paid over $250,000 for scouting services
In 2007, LSU spent $84,220.85 on 20 different recruiting companies that provide information on high school athletes including video, physical specifications and performance data. In 2008, LSU spent $65,250.10 and two years ago, $106,896.57.
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If Scout and Rivals were part of these large payments, all of the other big schools were making them too, how can they make up for the missing revenue.
Because most of these schools are public entities, the media will turn in requests and in doing so get invoice, check copies etc. We will then know how much each school was paying each servie>
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If Rivals and Scout were getting thousands of dollars yearly from the schools, they will never be able to make up that money from individual subscriptions.
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Big Sway
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 6:34 p.m. to chinese58)
This will put more burden on already stretched coaching duties. They will have to promote and distribute vids of their own kids. Maybe it will create another position in H.S. Athletic Departments.
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TheoreticalTiger 
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 10:04 p.m. to Suntiger)
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What's Clean got to say about this?
Who cares? Him dry humping 16 year old student athletes are one of the reasons they are considering this. Clean is a creepy mofo!
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catnip
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 10:06 p.m. to sportsfan)
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With all the underhanded stuff going on, the NCAA decides to pick on Rivals?
Won't hurt Bama. All Nick has to do is open his rear window and hear Rivals top 100 across the street.
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jacks40
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| re: NCAA about to shut down "Recruiting/Scouting" services (Posted on 4/8/11 at 10:28 p.m. to catnip)
Don't think LSU or any school was paying the type of Money that was mentioned above to Rivals, Scout, or ESPN. That money was probably paid to more of the private/shady services.
Not saying LSU paid for players just that the NCAA is more concerned with cracking down on the services that aren't advertised to the public at large.
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