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The JJ Factor(long)
Posted on 4/6/11 at 11:09 am
Posted on 4/6/11 at 11:09 am
EricB, this is just for you.
There's a reason why Miles, and many other coaches in the unproffesional levels, absoloutely love to have a dual threat qb. It opens up a whole new method of attack on the defense, both with the rushing attack, and through the air. Lets examine some of the core advantages and disadvantages.
For one, any defensive coordinator will tell you they have nightmares about defending dual threat qbs. Lets say, for example, that LSU comes out in a 4 wr set, with trips right and Ware to the left of JJ on the weakside. The defense comes out in a dime package, cover 0 under with 2 safeties over the top. The play is our patented read option. JJ reads weakside defensive end. Lets say he crashes down. JJ pulls and heads off tackle. Now the problem for the defense becomes who takes him. The MLB is more than likely going to follow the RB(assuming that they shift the other nickle over to cover the slot instead of walking the LB out). Now that means the defensive coordinator has to either drop one of those safeties down off weakside tackle to fill the gap, ala Monte Kiffin, or have the MLB fill backside off all read action. Either of which causes problems if it's play action. The dual threat qb forces the opposing defense to play closer attention to who has the ball.
Now lets say it is a pass. Straight up 5 step drop, no PA. How do you stop JJ. Do you bring a blitz and go 0 coverage behind it? Do you sit back in zone and hope your front 4 can get enough pressure to disrupt him. Do you take one of your best tacklers out the equation and assign him to spy. Either way, you are opening up something. Or you can run the risk of not accounting for JJ, and levy that against him taking off and getting the first with his legs as we have seen so many times.
JJ also has an effect on our downhill rushing attack because not only does the defense have to acct for Ware. But also the play action pass, and the naked bootleg. Lets also not forget that having a running qb like JJ is even in a 5 wr set, we still have a back in tbe backfield.
There's a reason why the qb position in cfb has become more than just throwing the ball around. Its all about maximizing the athletes you have on the field, and eliminating the 11 on 10 natural advantage that the defense has.
Now i know, just like any other sensible Tiger fan, that he has to improve on his pocket passing and reads. This is more on the fact that he's never had proper coaching about his motion(which he is receiving now). We know he has the arm, he had 2100 yards in 09. It's not to unreasonable to think we might get a 2000-500 type year from Jefferson.
:nb4tldr:
There's a reason why Miles, and many other coaches in the unproffesional levels, absoloutely love to have a dual threat qb. It opens up a whole new method of attack on the defense, both with the rushing attack, and through the air. Lets examine some of the core advantages and disadvantages.
For one, any defensive coordinator will tell you they have nightmares about defending dual threat qbs. Lets say, for example, that LSU comes out in a 4 wr set, with trips right and Ware to the left of JJ on the weakside. The defense comes out in a dime package, cover 0 under with 2 safeties over the top. The play is our patented read option. JJ reads weakside defensive end. Lets say he crashes down. JJ pulls and heads off tackle. Now the problem for the defense becomes who takes him. The MLB is more than likely going to follow the RB(assuming that they shift the other nickle over to cover the slot instead of walking the LB out). Now that means the defensive coordinator has to either drop one of those safeties down off weakside tackle to fill the gap, ala Monte Kiffin, or have the MLB fill backside off all read action. Either of which causes problems if it's play action. The dual threat qb forces the opposing defense to play closer attention to who has the ball.
Now lets say it is a pass. Straight up 5 step drop, no PA. How do you stop JJ. Do you bring a blitz and go 0 coverage behind it? Do you sit back in zone and hope your front 4 can get enough pressure to disrupt him. Do you take one of your best tacklers out the equation and assign him to spy. Either way, you are opening up something. Or you can run the risk of not accounting for JJ, and levy that against him taking off and getting the first with his legs as we have seen so many times.
JJ also has an effect on our downhill rushing attack because not only does the defense have to acct for Ware. But also the play action pass, and the naked bootleg. Lets also not forget that having a running qb like JJ is even in a 5 wr set, we still have a back in tbe backfield.
There's a reason why the qb position in cfb has become more than just throwing the ball around. Its all about maximizing the athletes you have on the field, and eliminating the 11 on 10 natural advantage that the defense has.
Now i know, just like any other sensible Tiger fan, that he has to improve on his pocket passing and reads. This is more on the fact that he's never had proper coaching about his motion(which he is receiving now). We know he has the arm, he had 2100 yards in 09. It's not to unreasonable to think we might get a 2000-500 type year from Jefferson.
:nb4tldr:
Posted on 4/6/11 at 11:16 am to 7thWardTiger
yea.. all those options for defenses to deal with and he still has sucked
Posted on 4/6/11 at 11:17 am to 7thWardTiger
You have not made a case for JJ. All you have done is make a case for a dual-threat QB.
All the non-JJ crowd is looking for is consistancy and improved accuracy. If Krag's helps with that there should not be any factions.
All the non-JJ crowd is looking for is consistancy and improved accuracy. If Krag's helps with that there should not be any factions.
Posted on 4/6/11 at 11:24 am to 7thWardTiger
I am not sure why this needed its own thread and couldn't include it in one of the many other threads
Posted on 4/6/11 at 11:26 am to rschwe5
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yea.. all those options for defenses to deal with and he still has sucked
DUCK!!!The idiots are comin!!!!
Posted on 4/6/11 at 11:27 am to 7thWardTiger
So let ware or shep play wild cat qb
Posted on 4/6/11 at 11:28 am to 7thWardTiger
quote:
absoloutely love to have a dual threat qb
I see you're attempting to make the case that JJ is as good a passer as he is a runner.
Posted on 4/6/11 at 11:32 am to Godzilla
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You have not made a case for JJ. All you have done is make a case for a dual-threat QB.
Which JJ is.
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All the non-JJ crowd is looking for is consistancy and improved accuracy. If Krag's helps with that there should not be any factions.
Which will come with proper footwork.
Posted on 4/6/11 at 11:38 am to crazyLSUfan
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I see you're attempting to make the case that JJ is as good a passer as he is a runner.
He had 2100 yds in 09 with 19-7 ratio. Not to hard to think with proper coaching he cant get back to that
Posted on 4/6/11 at 11:40 am to 7thWardTiger
quote:I really feel this is the key for JJ. However, none of this matters if the guy continues to prove he can't pass with any consistancy.
Which will come with proper footwork.
Posted on 4/6/11 at 11:44 am to 7thWardTiger
your supposition is based on a dual threat qb is that at least "good" in one of the two areas, running and throwing.
JJ is average at running or less.
JJ is TERRIBLE at throwing.
premise failed.
JJ is average at running or less.
JJ is TERRIBLE at throwing.
premise failed.
Posted on 4/6/11 at 12:00 pm to 7thWardTiger
I guess a long post gave you plenty of room for fail?
Meaning he takes a sack or throws a pick?
Not yet, but I remain hopeful
Ask any SEC DC and a couple from McNeese, La Tech, and other assorted schools that have easily held us to the bottom of the offensive stats
The afore-mentioned DC's have gladly assumed that risk. And quite successfully (see the stats)
Ah, ha! A correct statement! However, the effect has been 8-9 defenders in the box, leading to abysmal rushing stats in 2009, and Ridley earning everything he got in 2010.
You could have deleted everything but your last paragraph and added that to any of the other dozen discussions and you would have been good.
It was a good treatise on the value of a true dual threat QB, like Cam Newton. It does little to describe JJ.
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a dual threat qb
Meaning he takes a sack or throws a pick?
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JJ reads
Not yet, but I remain hopeful
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How do you stop JJ
Ask any SEC DC and a couple from McNeese, La Tech, and other assorted schools that have easily held us to the bottom of the offensive stats
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you can run the risk of not accounting for JJ
The afore-mentioned DC's have gladly assumed that risk. And quite successfully (see the stats)
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JJ also has an effect on our downhill rushing attack
Ah, ha! A correct statement! However, the effect has been 8-9 defenders in the box, leading to abysmal rushing stats in 2009, and Ridley earning everything he got in 2010.
You could have deleted everything but your last paragraph and added that to any of the other dozen discussions and you would have been good.
It was a good treatise on the value of a true dual threat QB, like Cam Newton. It does little to describe JJ.
This post was edited on 4/6/11 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 4/6/11 at 12:01 pm to 7thWardTiger
Somebody's been playing some NCAA. Come back to BlOps!
Posted on 4/6/11 at 12:05 pm to 7thWardTiger
The thing that hurts JJ the most is his decision making. All of the things you stated work well only if JJ makes the right "read". Which is why Cam Newton was so good (They also had a good offensive line). Huge plays open up if JJ makes the read quickly enough. If not the hole closes up.
JJ is also not good at faking the hand-off in the read option. Watch the kid from Nebraska, is it Martinez? Anyway, he holds the ball in the belly of the running back a long time, which makes the defensive end to commit. He either takes the RB or the QB. JJ has habitually made that read by guessing what the defense is going to do, based on what they did on the play before.
JJ does not make the defense pay for being out of position. Neither with his arm or his legs. The key to having a good read option game is taking advantage of the mistakes the defense makes, and JJ has not done that well.
JJ is also not good at faking the hand-off in the read option. Watch the kid from Nebraska, is it Martinez? Anyway, he holds the ball in the belly of the running back a long time, which makes the defensive end to commit. He either takes the RB or the QB. JJ has habitually made that read by guessing what the defense is going to do, based on what they did on the play before.
JJ does not make the defense pay for being out of position. Neither with his arm or his legs. The key to having a good read option game is taking advantage of the mistakes the defense makes, and JJ has not done that well.
Posted on 4/6/11 at 12:06 pm to 7thWardTiger
quote:
This is more on the fact that he's never had proper coaching about his motion
There comes a time JJ has to take ownship of his play on the field and that time came at the start his Jr season.
His play for the most part was a disappointment till Bama and his play from Bama on for the most part was more like what I had expected to see from the get-go. He got the same coaching all season long...be that good, bad, or otherwise.
Something was going on with him last season and I'm not sure coaching alone can take the full it for it.
Posted on 4/6/11 at 12:09 pm to Commando
I think it's more of a mental thing with JJ. Put him in spring practices and scrimmages where there are no fans and he does fine and then put him in a game where there are thousands of fans making noise and he goes brain dead most of the time. Kraig will definitely help his mechanics but he has to find a way to break the mental barrier as well.
Posted on 4/6/11 at 12:12 pm to 7thWardTiger
JJ is fortunate he has a coach who has and will support him even when he is playing horribly. For whatever reasons he still has the support of Miles. That said, maybe he will be improved this year. Hopefully so. I know he has the raw tools to do the things needed to be a good QB, he just hasn't put it all together.
JJ has miles unwavering support and will get his shot. No need for people to knight for him. I don't think he will get pulled for poor play right of the bat. He will get his chance on the field to prove if he can be a capable QB. Again.
JJ has miles unwavering support and will get his shot. No need for people to knight for him. I don't think he will get pulled for poor play right of the bat. He will get his chance on the field to prove if he can be a capable QB. Again.
Posted on 4/6/11 at 12:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Imagine is LSU had hired Spurrier instead of Miles.... JJ and Lee would never touch the field again
Posted on 4/6/11 at 12:14 pm to tduecen
quote:
I am not sure why this needed its own thread and couldn't include it in one of the many other threads
I agree. I think that they should open up a board just for Jordan Jefferson.
They should call it.... Jordan Jefferson Board. Original right?
Posted on 4/6/11 at 12:14 pm to tduecen
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Imagine is LSU had hired Spurrier instead of Miles.... JJ and Lee would never touch the field again
Yeah, TC may have been starting the last few games of the year...
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