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Question re: 1st inning this past Friday against Georgia
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:07 pm
Let me preface this by saying I'm not questioning PM's knowledge of baseball, or even is coaching strategies. I'm also not saying I know more than him. I think he is a great coach and glad that he his here at LSU.
The top of the 1st - Jacoby Jones reached 1st on an error (or maybe the scored it a hit). So, naturally PM has Rhymes (sp?) square to sacrifice Jones to 2nd. Instead, Jones reaches second on a wild pitch. So now we have Jones in scoring position with nobody out and Rhymes still at the plate. At this point, IMO, you let Rhymes swing away. The double play is no longer in order, runner is in scoring position and one of the top RBI guys at the plate. But, PM chose to concede an out to get Jones to 3rd.
Thoughts? Again, I'm not saying that is the wrong call at all. Just curious as to why you would give up an out and take the bat out of one of your top guys when Jones was already in scoring pos.
The top of the 1st - Jacoby Jones reached 1st on an error (or maybe the scored it a hit). So, naturally PM has Rhymes (sp?) square to sacrifice Jones to 2nd. Instead, Jones reaches second on a wild pitch. So now we have Jones in scoring position with nobody out and Rhymes still at the plate. At this point, IMO, you let Rhymes swing away. The double play is no longer in order, runner is in scoring position and one of the top RBI guys at the plate. But, PM chose to concede an out to get Jones to 3rd.
Thoughts? Again, I'm not saying that is the wrong call at all. Just curious as to why you would give up an out and take the bat out of one of your top guys when Jones was already in scoring pos.
This post was edited on 3/28/11 at 1:13 pm
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Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:18 pm to Jake85
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Jake85
I bet there are PLENTY of coaches who would do the exact same thing.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:20 pm to DEANintheYAY
i think the bashing of the coach and his staff is utterly ridiculous but i think bunting in the first is bad. You settle the pitcher down sometimes by giving him an early out for free
manieri always says scoring in the first isnt as imprtant as seeeing pitches but bunting in the first goes against this theory of his
manieri always says scoring in the first isnt as imprtant as seeeing pitches but bunting in the first goes against this theory of his
This post was edited on 3/28/11 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:22 pm to Jake85
bunting early in the game is stupid, imo
esp with the middle of your order.
esp with the middle of your order.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:22 pm to Factsman
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i think the bashing of the coach and his staff is utterly ridiculous
I thought I made it clear in my preface that this is NOT what I'm doing.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:23 pm to Jake85
You just can't make some people happy. If he bunts hse should have swung away, if he swings he should have bunted if he takes a pitch he should have swung if he swings he should have taken the pitch........
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:24 pm to Jake85
dude you are questioning PM's knowledge of baseball
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:24 pm to Jake85
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I thought I made it clear in my preface that this is NOT what I'm doing
Saying you aren't then proceeding to do just that doesn't change the fact that you are doing it.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:25 pm to Jake85
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Jones reaches second on a wild pitch. So now we have Jones in scoring position with nobody out and Rhymes still at the plate. At this point, IMO, you let Rhymes swing away. The double play is no longer in order, runner is in scoring position and one of the top RBI guys at the plate. But, PM chose to concede an out to get Jones to 3rd.
That is how you play true small ball.
I do not agree with it unless you are in the later innings. I would play for the big inning early in the game.
Granted with the way we have been hitting with runners in scoring position I do not blame CPM for trying to get the runner to 3rd with one out.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:26 pm to LSUTygerFan
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You just can't make some people happy. If he bunts hse should have swung away, if he swings he should have bunted if he takes a pitch he should have swung if he swings he should have taken the pitch........
I never said it ruined my fricking night. I just wanted to hear baseball strategy from people who may know a little re: the topic.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:28 pm to Factsman
It is called "Billy Ball" made famous by Billy Martin. It is about manufacturing runs and not letting them play hoping for the big inning....it is about scratching in a run here and there....big shift for PM and he is not doing it very well....but he will catch on...
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:28 pm to LSUTygerFan
JMO, but he's going to keep trying until they can do it on a regular basis. With these bats, bunting is a must. fwiw, I didn't like the call.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:29 pm to Jake85
i meant in general bro
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:30 pm to Lester Earl
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bunting early in the game is stupid, imo
esp with the middle of your order.
I agree LE. Many pitchers take time to settle down, especially in the first. To bunt with a runner on 2nd and 0 outs doesn't make sense there. Play for the big first inning, especially with your best RBI guys coming up. Like someone said a few weeks ago (maybe Doc?), PM gives away outs a little too easily IMO.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:39 pm to Jake85
with a freshman pitcher making his first road start in the sec. facing a pitcher who in his last two starts has been shoving it up peoples arse. with our offense who has been struggling to score runs the past few games. whats the big fricking deal about making sure you put a run up on the board in the first inning?? i know you cant say the inning would have played out the same way, but rhymes did ground out to 3b which would not have advanced jones. hanover flew out to 2nd which maybe would have moved jones to 3rd, and mahtook popped out to second. its a hell of a lot easier to score from 3rd with 1 out, than it is from 2nd with 0 outs.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:44 pm to TheGodfather
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whats the big fricking deal about making sure you put a run up on the board in the first inning??
I agree. Manufacturing runs keeps the pressure on the other team.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:55 pm to Jake85
I have no problem with trying to get a runner to 3rd with 1 out.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:56 pm to Jake85
Like you said, JJ shouldn't have even been on base, so with that said, you have to bunt him over, then you have 1 out (that you should already have) and a guy on 3rd that can score on any mid distance fly ball or anything on the ground unless it's hot to the corners or pitcher.
Posted on 3/28/11 at 1:58 pm to Catman88
in the first?
i feel that just calms down the pitcher
you should never steal or bunt after a walk early in the game
hell the pitcher might walk the park
i feel that just calms down the pitcher
you should never steal or bunt after a walk early in the game
hell the pitcher might walk the park
Posted on 3/28/11 at 2:00 pm to Jake85
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I agree. Manufacturing runs keeps the pressure on the other team.
While this is true LSU doesnt stick with that philosophy at all times. I was pretty upset that we abandoned it against Florida. We go from playing small ball to 'trying' to play gorilla ball sometimes in the same game. Would be nice if it were consistent. I think CPM sometimes goes with his gut feeling over philosophy.
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