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It's NOT Illegal to use RECRUITING SERVICES......
Posted on 3/15/11 at 9:02 am
Posted on 3/15/11 at 9:02 am
AND they don't work for free.
Apparently, there are a lot of sports writers who dont know what's going on and what's legal by NCAA
rules because teams have been using recruiting services for years.
Exactly who do they think sponsors all these "7-on-7" tournaments on college campuses around the country. The schools don't do it. It's recruiting services like "Badger Sports".
Here's a damn example which was held at Rutgers with 8 teams participating. Notice its' publicized on Scout.com. It's out in the open because it IS NOT ILLEGAL. This is nothing more than a recruiting service and it costs money to put on these tournaments.
Showing a bill that has $25,000 on it and paid by Oregon, Alabama, LSU or whoever doesn't mean a thing. Is that a fee which includes exactly what?
A 7-on-7? What? An annual fee for services? So what? LINK
Apparently, there are a lot of sports writers who dont know what's going on and what's legal by NCAA
rules because teams have been using recruiting services for years.
Exactly who do they think sponsors all these "7-on-7" tournaments on college campuses around the country. The schools don't do it. It's recruiting services like "Badger Sports".
Here's a damn example which was held at Rutgers with 8 teams participating. Notice its' publicized on Scout.com. It's out in the open because it IS NOT ILLEGAL. This is nothing more than a recruiting service and it costs money to put on these tournaments.
Showing a bill that has $25,000 on it and paid by Oregon, Alabama, LSU or whoever doesn't mean a thing. Is that a fee which includes exactly what?
A 7-on-7? What? An annual fee for services? So what? LINK
This post was edited on 3/15/11 at 9:07 am
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Posted on 3/15/11 at 9:04 am to STRIPES
Dude, everyone knows this, but these stories are hitting at the root of the problem. Pay for Play.
Posted on 3/15/11 at 9:11 am to Duckie
Dude, everyone doesn't know this because they are insinuating that probation and NCAA sanctions may come of this. Oregon has been singled out by Colin Cowherd nationally and he stated that "a major program" was about to get hit hard.
Oregon has done nothing wrong as far as I see and this is crap spread by people who don't understand that a recruiting service is legal.
Also, if anyone knows that Seastrunk received any money from Oregon then prove it. Otherwise, this is all bs.
Oregon has done nothing wrong as far as I see and this is crap spread by people who don't understand that a recruiting service is legal.
Also, if anyone knows that Seastrunk received any money from Oregon then prove it. Otherwise, this is all bs.
This post was edited on 3/15/11 at 9:13 am
Posted on 3/15/11 at 9:14 am to STRIPES
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Oregon has been singled out by Colin Cowherd nationally
Colin Cowherd is a major tool who doesn't know a whole lot. I used to listen to him but Cowherd is MAJORLY WRONG more times then he is right.
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Oregon has done nothing wrong
Netiher has LSU, Bama, AU, UGA or anyone else who may use these services.
Posted on 3/15/11 at 9:24 am to STRIPES
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Showing a bill that has $25,000 on it and paid by Oregon, Alabama, LSU or whoever doesn't mean a thing. Is that a fee which includes exactly what?
fwiw, Lyles put that "price list" on his website AFTER the story broke.
not saying anyones guilty of wrong doing, just interesting.
Posted on 3/15/11 at 9:50 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
What Lyles does is really irrelevant when it comes to his business.
The point is that running "7-on-7" tournaments on college campuses and contacting these recruits is perfectly legal. What do some people expect? They expect a recruiting service to not recommend a school which he does business with?
If this situation deserves scrutiny then the NCAA better start taking on the AAU in basketball because it's far worse than what is going on in football.
Anyone who doesn't think Collis Temple Sr. was highly involved with LSU recruiting at the AAU level with his sons; Glen Davis; and the rest of that last Final Four bunch then they are naive.
Collis Temple was an AAU coach of those kids and also an LSU booster. Go figure.
LSU, Temple, the kids were all up front about it and it was even mentioned in passing on a couple of LSU basketball broadcasts that all of them played AAU ball together (I think 4 of them played together) when LSU was on TV.
AAU coaches have a huge influence on these basketball recruits probably as much if not more than their High School coaches. They take these kids all over the country to tournaments and introduce them to coaches, etc. They do this and no money ever changes hands? Ya think?
This is also legal by NCAA rules.
The point is that running "7-on-7" tournaments on college campuses and contacting these recruits is perfectly legal. What do some people expect? They expect a recruiting service to not recommend a school which he does business with?
If this situation deserves scrutiny then the NCAA better start taking on the AAU in basketball because it's far worse than what is going on in football.
Anyone who doesn't think Collis Temple Sr. was highly involved with LSU recruiting at the AAU level with his sons; Glen Davis; and the rest of that last Final Four bunch then they are naive.
Collis Temple was an AAU coach of those kids and also an LSU booster. Go figure.
LSU, Temple, the kids were all up front about it and it was even mentioned in passing on a couple of LSU basketball broadcasts that all of them played AAU ball together (I think 4 of them played together) when LSU was on TV.
AAU coaches have a huge influence on these basketball recruits probably as much if not more than their High School coaches. They take these kids all over the country to tournaments and introduce them to coaches, etc. They do this and no money ever changes hands? Ya think?
This is also legal by NCAA rules.
Posted on 3/15/11 at 9:58 am to STRIPES
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What Lyles does is really irrelevant when it comes to his business.
posting price lists (following the story) that have the exact amounts schools paid him is pretty relevant to the situation if looking at it objectively....
What if Auburn or Bama was the main focus of the article instead of LSU?
Im sure most would still be looking at this with such an open mind
This post was edited on 3/15/11 at 9:59 am
Posted on 3/15/11 at 10:09 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
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What if Auburn or Bama was the main focus of the article instead of LSU?
Im sure most would still be looking at this with such an open mind
go find the big thread on the rant when the UO story broke and see the comments
it's a shady, dirty business. if you don't participate (and your name isn't Texas), then you lose
as shady, dirty, and skin-crawling as the handlers are, i don't see how it breaks NCAA rules
also, the "everyone is doing it" argument isn't really about moral justification. if these handlers are being paid by all schools, and all schools get some of their kids, then you sort out who gets in trouble for what
Posted on 3/15/11 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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posting price lists (following the story) that have the exact amounts schools paid him is pretty relevant to the situation if looking at it objectively....
So, the prices shouldn't match the price sheet?
And I don't care if Auburn or Bama dealt with these guys (Bama did) because it's not illegal.
This isn't like Cam Newton's Dad going to Miss. State and ASKING for money.
This is nothing more than a proverbial "tempest in a teapot".
Posted on 3/15/11 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's a shady, dirty business. if you don't participate (and your name isn't Texas), then you lose
Totally agree, and have no problems (or delusions) with what goes on in CFB behind closed doors.
It's just funny to see how the tone changes when LSU is involved.
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And I don't care if Auburn or Bama dealt with these guys (Bama did) because it's not illegal
so if LSUs name wasnt included, youd be defending the other teams for this whole thing being totally legitimate and not shady at all?
This post was edited on 3/15/11 at 10:32 am
Posted on 3/15/11 at 10:48 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
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It's just funny to see how the tone changes when LSU is involved.
What is funny to me is BayouBengals03 was all over Oregon when the "story" broke yet he hasn't posted in a single thread on any board about LSU. Biased much?
The only thing that will come of all this is some rules will be changed. I don't understand the big fuss over it though, it is accepted in college bball.
Posted on 3/15/11 at 10:54 am to LSUintheNW
It is complete bullshite these reporter are so hungry to make a name for themselves they will do and write anything. Basketball has been doing it for years and you want to single out a couple of college programs. If Thayer or any other moronic writer were in my reach with this shite I would split his skull. Yes I'm maaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 3/15/11 at 11:04 am to TigerFanNKaty
It really is a non story as long as you understand what they are actually selling. You can put all the innuendo you like on it though but it ain't going nowhere. It's a shame they're smearing programs over this when you have programs like Auburn actually paying for play.
Posted on 3/15/11 at 11:10 am to STRIPES
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Oregon has been singled out by Colin Cowherd nationally and he stated that "a major program" was about to get hit hard
That's b/c the NCAA comes out looking really bad here. THATS THE STORY. The NCAA created the black market for Will Lyles to operate in. ly
To cover their arse, there's no reason the NCAA won't crack down on Oregon. Probably not LSU...but if they find something more with this connection between Lyles and Haley, then there could be something. I don't think there is, however.
But don't think the NCAA doesn't know they've created a monster. And they damn well won't accept the blame.
Posted on 3/15/11 at 11:22 am to Stewie Griffin
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there's no reason the NCAA won't crack down on Oregon
Why is that?
This post was edited on 3/15/11 at 11:24 am
Posted on 3/15/11 at 11:23 am to Stewie Griffin
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And they damn well won't accept the blame.
they don't seem to care much about CBB and AAU
Posted on 3/15/11 at 11:32 am to LSUintheNW
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Why is that
Because otherwise the NCAA looks bad. Crack down may be too strong, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a punishment of some sort. Simply b/c the pay was so disproportional to what anyone else has paid, and because of the timing of the payment.
Posted on 3/15/11 at 11:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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they don't seem to care much about CBB and AAU
College football is also about 40 times more valuable than college basketball.
Posted on 3/15/11 at 11:39 am to Stewie Griffin
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Because otherwise the NCAA looks bad. Crack down may be too strong, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a punishment of some sort
part of me wants to think they know they look bad after the Cam and Cecil situation, and they save face by sanctioning ______ on the next big "scandal".
At the same time, I dont think the NCAA gives a shite about what the general public thinks...
This post was edited on 3/15/11 at 11:40 am
Posted on 3/15/11 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Prolly not
so if LSUs name wasnt included, youd be defending the other teams for this whole thing being totally legitimate and not shady at all?
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