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I just watched a video (infomercial) from the Whitetail Institute. I have a ?

Posted on 1/24/11 at 10:28 pm
Posted by chip207
Bossier Parish
Member since Feb 2007
4994 posts
Posted on 1/24/11 at 10:28 pm
Is it any better than seed I buy at the feed store for half the cost?
Does anyone plant in the spring?
Is chicory worth the high price?
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38724 posts
Posted on 1/24/11 at 10:29 pm to
Not really.
Yes.
No idea.
Posted by watsonlabman
Lake Jackson, Tx
Member since Feb 2008
462 posts
Posted on 1/25/11 at 7:23 am to
Chip,

First I would get soils tested to make sure my ph is correct. (this is the biggest thing you have to do to make a good food plot.)

How big is the area your going to plant? depending on population your food plot might not get a chance to take off if your plot is to small.

I would plant soybeans, clover, corn and peas.

Create a mix that is native to your area.

If you send you soil sample to LSU or MSU and tell them what your going to plant they will give you the ratio of fertilizer to use and also how much lime you might need to get your ph correct.

You will need to give them your plot size.

Also think about putting some protien feeders with roasted soybeans out during the spring and summer.

Or you can feed them protein feed put you will have to train them to eat it.
1. First fill your protien feeder 1/4 full of corn.

2. After 2 weeks all corn is gone (or just a little left) fill feeder with 1/4 corn and 1/2 -5 gallon bucket protein feed, Mix it good.

After another 2 weeks they're picking around protein feed and just eating corn repeat step 2.

If they're eating protein move to step 3.

3. Fill feeder with 1/4 corn and 1- 5 gallon bucket protein.

If they're eating protein move to step 4.

4. Fill 1/4 corn 1/4 protein

repeat last step if they're not eating protein as much as corn.

5. fill 1/4 protien 1- 5 gallon bucket corn

6. 1/4 protein 1/2- 5 gallon bucket corn

7. all protein

Allow two weeks in between steps.


This post was edited on 1/25/11 at 7:46 am
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27678 posts
Posted on 1/25/11 at 8:57 am to
It doesn't work worth a shite if you pH isn't right and you don't fertilize properly.

We planted a lot this spring and fall, including some of the WI Clover.

Some spots we didn't have enough lime for, so the pH wasn't right. The clover did not do well there.

Our Spring plots took a lot more work. We learned from our mistakes last year. Last year we busted the ground with the disk really good then planted and fertilized. The weeds came up way faster and took over the plots.

This year we sprayed round-up, disked, waited about 2 weeks and sprayed round-up again, lightly disked the ground again, then planted. (this was on ground that had never been planted before though. If you already have some established plots, you probably won't have to worry about the
weeds as much.)

This Spring we're planting Round-up Ready, Forage Soybeans exclusively. In the Fall I believe we're going with wheat and oats. We supplement this with several mineral licks, corn feeders, and troughs with a mixture of protein pellets, corn, soybeans, and rice bran.

Next season will be season three up there. In one year we saw a big difference. Hopefully it'll continue to improve.
Posted by watsonlabman
Lake Jackson, Tx
Member since Feb 2008
462 posts
Posted on 1/25/11 at 11:47 am to
Slickback, Sounds like you guys have your sh**t together..

A lot of people don't understand what it takes to create a food plot right.
Implementing a sound feeding program year around not just during deer season. Feeders take time to become productive. Throwing feed out of your feeder 3 months out of the year only creates confusion to the herd. You want to create a resource for feed that the deer will be comfortable with and use in their daily pattern.

People need to think of it like feeding cows, if you continuously feed them at a specific place over time they will learn that at this place is where their food is going to be. What’s going to happen after 3 months when you don’t feed them anymore? They will have to find their food somewhere else their pattern has changed to a hunt for food mode. Eight months later you start feeding in the first spot again it will take time to get them out of that hunt for food pattern.
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27678 posts
Posted on 1/25/11 at 12:23 pm to
We want them to be used to the feeders going off and for them to know that their will be feed there everyday. We also want to make sure they have ample feed year round so we can sustain a larger and healthier herd.

We just need them to start feeding more during daylight.

Posted by watsonlabman
Lake Jackson, Tx
Member since Feb 2008
462 posts
Posted on 1/25/11 at 1:06 pm to
Decreasing pressure is the only way to get deer to move and feed during day light hours. Also placing feeders in a area that the deer don't feel exsposed.

I have leased 640 acres in Mississippi for going on 13 years. For the first 7 years I allowed 4 other people to hunt there with me and each year our harvest of mature bucks decreased and seeing deer also decreased. Then I decided to only allow 2 of the 4 back the following year because their actions during the past seasons wasn't what I was wanting.

I decided to come up with a plan to decrease the human movement on the property.

1.I then choose to increase the size of feeders to decrease the times having to access the property also made sure all feeders had solar chargers.

2. Increase the size of food plots and moved stands to allow access without disturbing animals in food plot.

3. Removal of all gas operated RV's only tractors during planting season. Ok to use battery operated RV's and implamented a foot traffic only pass this point plan for each stand. (Unless picking up dead deer)

4. No joy riding on property.

5. No scouting for portable stand placement after Oct 1.

6. No cameras (Cameras only will increase human movement on property)We do a camera survey in Aug for 2 weeks. that's the only time cameras are present.

And others but you get the point.

Also decrease the number of times a area can be accessed in a given time frame. Deer will change their patterns from daylight movement to night movement as human movement and oder increase in the area.

We always logged deer numbers since the begining.

After all this was inplace we recorded the number of deer we seen each day and compared them with the past five years and there was a huge increase in number of deer seen and mature bucks killed.
This post was edited on 1/25/11 at 1:15 pm
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27678 posts
Posted on 1/25/11 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

Decreasing pressure is the only way to get deer to move and feed during day light hours. Also placing feeders in a area that the deer don't feel exsposed.


That is our problem. We hunt a cattle ranch surrounded by woods. The rancher (my friends uncle) is out there everyday on his tractor, but the deer don't seem to mind the tractor as much. Me, my friend, his Dad, and another guy are the only people who hunt.

The other guy lives up there and runs the local co-op. He is in the fields every damn day "checking the foodplots" and dicking around. We've jumped his arse about it several times, but we always have pictures of him on cameras.

The Dad and his friend are "good ole boys" that don't really understand the management aspect, so me and my friend are always trying to get them on board. Its starting to work a little since the saw some results.
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