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Toddy
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Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


I was listening to our game yesterday, and our announcer said that UL Lafayette likes to be called "The Louisiana Ragin Cajuns". I then read that the school was known as "The University of Louisiana for a short period but LSU forced the State Legislature to outlaw this. Something about the "LSU Rule"?






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Zach
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


They should go back to their original name:
SLI
Southwest La. Institute

As for why they can't be U of La.; then what do you do about NLU ... now U of La - Monroe. Why does ULL get to drop the last L but ULM must keep the M?






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Tigreat
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


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I was listening to our game yesterday, and our announcer said that UL Lafayette likes to be called "The Louisiana Ragin Cajuns". I then read that the school was known as "The University of Louisiana for a short period but LSU forced the State Legislature to outlaw this. Something about the "LSU Rule"?
LINKThis link should pretty much sum it up for you.

Basically has to do with the fact that ULL is part of a Universities of Louisiana system, the original, and only, University of Louisiana being the now private Tulane University. ULL doesn't have the authority to become the flagship of the University of Louisiana system since it was part of the system with other colleges who have as much of a claim to that name as ULL does. Nothing gives the school that right over the other schools involved.

Now, LSU preexisted the Louisiana State University system of colleges. It was initially called Louisiana A&M, but the name was changed to Louisiana State University A&M when it moved to Baton Rouge from New Orleans. Since it is not part of the same system as ULL and preexisted all the other colleges which are in the Louisiana State University system, it has the privilege of being the flagship university.



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Doc Fenton
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


It's absurd for UL-Lafayette to think they have some special preeminence over UL-Monroe.





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Toddy
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


Ok, that makes sense. I didn't realize that Tulane was the original University of Louisiana I found some more information about the "LSU Rule" This article sounds biased against LSU.

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After years of achievement and leadership in higher education and five years of planning and lobbying, UL President Dr. Ray Authement was rewarded for his determination on April 27, 1984 as the Board of Trustees for State Colleges and Universities voted by a 17-1 margin to drop the “Southwestern” from USL’s name. On that date, the University of Southwestern Louisiana became THE University of Louisiana.

By that time, USL’s name had become a hindrance to further advancement and improvement among universities. UL had outgrown its double-directional name. UL’s enrollment was at 16,000 students, which made it one of the two largest schools in the three-state region of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Arkansas. It was a comprehensive university and had students from all 50 states and 100 countries enrolled. UL lead the state in professional and certification exams in many fields including engineering, nursing, and education. The University of Louisiana had received national recognition for their computer science program and was a charter member of NCAA Division I-A Football.

The name didn’t last long, however, as some administrators at other state schools worried that UL’s new name would diminish their image. In May of 1984, the Board Regents, with the strong support of powerful LSU backers on and off the Board, took the issue to district court, asserting that only the Louisiana Legislature could rename state universities. They won and District Judge William H. Brown stripped the University of Louisiana of its new name. UL was ordered to revert to USL on May 22, 1984. Soon after and in specific response to this case, the state legislature changed state law to require that only the legislature could change the name of state colleges and universities.

But the fight was not over for a name that was more reflective of the University’s accomplishments, achievements, and stature. In 1995, the Louisiana State Legislature to agree to allow the change. However, Act 45 required a compromise that has become known as the “LSU Rule.” The LSU Rule required that at least two state universities change their name at the same time. It required that all universities who change their name change it to “University of Louisiana at [city designation].”

Northeast Louisiana University hesitated and stalled but in 1999 Northeast’s Lawson Swearingen finally agreed to the name change. The Board of Regents and the UL Board of Supervisors finally approved the name change in late August 1999. USL became UL Lafayette and NLU became UL Monroe. USL officials decided to make it official at the Centennial Spectacular kicking off the yearlong celebration of the university’s 100th birthday. University of Louisiana was now a reality.


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CITWTT
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


Because ULL is a part of one university system of La., and it really doesn't hold a candle to LSU academically. LSU in its' prime had several Nobel, and Pulitzer prize winners on its' staff. The name change that USL pulled off was a thing pulled aff by Coach and Catherine Blanco to build up USL beyond its' true status





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Tigreat
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


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Ok, that makes sense. I didn't realize that Tulane was the original University of Louisiana I found some more information about the "LSU Rule" This article sounds biased against LSU.
I wouldn't doubt that there was some bias towards LSU, but ULL was in the wrong the entire time. LSU preexisted the other colleges in the LSU system (LSUA, LSUS). The University of Louisiana (Tulane now) preexisted these. ULL did not have the right to change its name and at the same time proclaim itself the flagship university of the University of Louisiana system of colleges.
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The name didn’t last long, however, as some administrators at other state schools worried that UL’s new name would diminish their image.
The University of Louisiana System consists of:

Grambling
LA Tech
ULM
Northwestern State
McNeese State
ULL
Nichols
Southeastern State

I doubt that the administrators of these schools thought highly of ULL naming itself the flagship of their system of colleges without official permission. They thought it would diminish their image, which it probably would.






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TigerPride10
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


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LSU in its' prime


LSU in its prime? No offense, old timer, but LSU has never had the academic quality that it does now. LSU used to be a joke. Now it's a top tier university.






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coolpapaboze
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


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Grambling
LA Tech
ULM
Northwestern State
McNeese State
ULL
Nichols
Southeastern State
I look at that list of schools and my first thought is that half of them should be shut down or turned into community colleges or trade schools.






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cajunatc
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


how people and media refer to ULL as UL is based on performance. If ULL would take care fo BID-NESS on the field, then it will sort itself out.

there are a TON of UNC's in the state of North Carolina

when you hear UNC you think tarheels because they are the best in athletics


IF ULL would ever dominate the rest of the state in athletics (minus LSU) the name UL might be earned






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Tigreat
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


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I look at that list of schools and my first thought is that half of them should be shut down or turned into community colleges or trade schools.
I wouldn't disagree with you. There was a thread a week or so ago about this very topic. They had a news article which displayed the graduation/dropout rates of the Louisiana colleges, and for many of these school, it was pathetic.






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TigerPride10
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


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IF ULL would ever dominate the rest of the state in athletics (minus LSU) the name UL might be earned


The academics at UL at L are a joke. This is much more than just their lack of athletic prowess.






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4cubbies
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


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LSU used to be a joke. Now it's a top tier university.


I don't think LSU would be considered a "top tier" university.






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Tigreat
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


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IF ULL would ever dominate the rest of the state in athletics (minus LSU) the name UL might be earned
The problem is that it is more a legal issue than a reputation issue. LSU was the first college with the name Louisiana State University. LSUA and LSUS came after so there is no way they could challenge LSU for its name.

ULL however was not the first of the University of Louisiana System colleges. It has no legal claim to that name and by calling itself that, it attempted to give its image more clout. ULL had no legal right or claim to that.






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Toddy
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


Especially since Tulane is the original University of Louisiana.





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TigerPride10
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


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I don't think LSU would be considered a "top tier" university.


You really don't think it's in the top 130 schools in the nation?

It would be inexcusable for a university with the kind of budget, research funding, and caliber of professors LSU has (had) to not be in the top tier.



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Tigreat
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


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Especially since Tulane is the original University of Louisiana.
You are correct sir.

The only reason the ruling was called the "LSU Rule", is because butthurt ULL fans believed that it was LSU's fault that they had to revert their name back. Now, I can't deny that LSU probably had a little pull in the matter ( ), but it was the correct decision and probably would have been made with or without LSU involved.






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4cubbies
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


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You really don't think it's in the top 130 schools in the nation?


I guess it all depends on how you define "top tier." I didn't realize so many schools would be considered "top tier."






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CITWTT
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


LSU had three or four Nobel prize winners in Physics years ago, and has had about eight or so Pulitzer Prize winners. The last one retired in '09, Andrei Codrescu a personal friend mon frere.


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TulaneTigerFan
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re: Why Did LSU Force UL Lafayette To Change Its Name?


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You really don't think it's in the top 130 schools in the nation?

It would be inexcusable for a university with the kind of budget, research funding, and caliber of professors LSU has (had) to not be in the top tier.


The only thing that's really changed is the definition of "top tier". US News changed it to include more schools.






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