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Very interesting story...first salvo against BCS?
Posted on 11/5/10 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 11/5/10 at 6:45 pm
Possible death blow to BCS?
It will be interesting to see how the above plays out. Gotta say, I have no use for the propped up, jacked up, system that is the BCS.
Every sport in the world has a playoff on the field, except for college football.
Really, it's time.
It will be interesting to see how the above plays out. Gotta say, I have no use for the propped up, jacked up, system that is the BCS.
Every sport in the world has a playoff on the field, except for college football.
Really, it's time.
This post was edited on 11/5/10 at 6:53 pm
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Posted on 11/5/10 at 6:55 pm to tiger88
The local sports talk guy brought this up on his show this morning. It so happens he brings in an attorney every Friday to pick his brains about crap like this. After they talked about the legal issues with the Cam Newton situation, he asked him about this being an antitrust situation. The attorney said in his opinion, this didn't come close to being an antitrust situation.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:00 pm to tiger88
I'm with you; college football needs a new system to see who the best team is but really...... we don't need to decide it in the courts.
Why don't we just have the LBCS, Legal Bowl Championship Series, then teams like Harvard, Yale and Brown can win too! No need to let the players settle it; let's see whose lawyers are best. Not to mention, do Congress and the Department of Justice have nothing better to do than interfere with college football? Shouldn't they be worried about such issues as the economy, health care and perhaps crime? Oh well, no point in worrying, in this litigious society, may be Bama's lawyers are really better than Utah's.
I know...... why don't Utah, TCU and Boise join a conference worth being in?
Utah
Boise TCY
lawyers
Why don't we just have the LBCS, Legal Bowl Championship Series, then teams like Harvard, Yale and Brown can win too! No need to let the players settle it; let's see whose lawyers are best. Not to mention, do Congress and the Department of Justice have nothing better to do than interfere with college football? Shouldn't they be worried about such issues as the economy, health care and perhaps crime? Oh well, no point in worrying, in this litigious society, may be Bama's lawyers are really better than Utah's.
I know...... why don't Utah, TCU and Boise join a conference worth being in?
Utah
Boise TCY lawyers
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:11 pm to tiger88
2004 was a problem with three undefeated legit programs at the top.
2003 was a problem since they allowed a non conference champion in over the #1 team in the human polls. Not as bad as the 2004 situation.
The same thing happened with Nebraska, but no one would have beaten Miami so it really doesn't matter.
Unless a playoff system requires you to win your conference it is just as flawed IMO.
2003 was a problem since they allowed a non conference champion in over the #1 team in the human polls. Not as bad as the 2004 situation.
The same thing happened with Nebraska, but no one would have beaten Miami so it really doesn't matter.
Unless a playoff system requires you to win your conference it is just as flawed IMO.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:19 pm to tiger88
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Every sport in the world has a playoff on the field, except for college football.
False.
The world's most popular sport - soccer - doesn't have a playoff for most of it's domestic leagues.
The English Premier League, for example plays 38 games - each other team twice - and the team with the best record wins the trophy.
No playoff.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:33 pm to Tiger Phil
I was thinking of the World Cup, which, best to my knowledge is a contest whose champion is determined among 16 teams on the field.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:41 pm to Tiger Phil
a majority of the members of the media have spouted the some rhetoric and catch phrases over and over about the villified 'bcs'.
here again we have the argument that 'every major sport has a playoff' which some posters quickly debunked.
let's understand's this fully. the NCAA Men's Basketball National Champion is NOT the best team over the course of the year. it is the best team over a SIX GAME STRETCH. it is a end of the season tournament champion that everyone has agreed with be the national champion.
the BCS is in fact a PLAYOFF. it is a two-team playoff, but a playoff none the less. granted, the two teams are chosen not on the basis of winning a conference championship to 'qualify', but instead based on a combination of subjective 'human' polls and more objective computer polls (although the conditions for the polls are subjectively chosen).
when it comes down to it, there is a huge lie that has been perpetrated on college football 'fans' that we are all screaming for a "playoff". no, there are a bunch of lemmings who regurgitate everything there here on sports talk radio and espn. a end of the season tournament of 8 or 16 teams isn't necessarily a better way to determine the best champion that a one game matchup of two teams. maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
course, there is also a valid argument that overall the sport is 'better' for having a more meaningful regular season.
here again we have the argument that 'every major sport has a playoff' which some posters quickly debunked.
let's understand's this fully. the NCAA Men's Basketball National Champion is NOT the best team over the course of the year. it is the best team over a SIX GAME STRETCH. it is a end of the season tournament champion that everyone has agreed with be the national champion.
the BCS is in fact a PLAYOFF. it is a two-team playoff, but a playoff none the less. granted, the two teams are chosen not on the basis of winning a conference championship to 'qualify', but instead based on a combination of subjective 'human' polls and more objective computer polls (although the conditions for the polls are subjectively chosen).
when it comes down to it, there is a huge lie that has been perpetrated on college football 'fans' that we are all screaming for a "playoff". no, there are a bunch of lemmings who regurgitate everything there here on sports talk radio and espn. a end of the season tournament of 8 or 16 teams isn't necessarily a better way to determine the best champion that a one game matchup of two teams. maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
course, there is also a valid argument that overall the sport is 'better' for having a more meaningful regular season.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:42 pm to tiger88
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The most conservative estimates of the television rights fees for an FBS playoff are about $400 million a year. The BCS brings in $125 million in annual rights fees.Is it a waste that more than 100 public universities leave hundreds of millions of dollars on the table every year because some of them want more control over where that money goes?
This post was edited on 11/5/10 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:43 pm to tiger88
World Cup, yes.
Domestic Soccer Leagues, no.
Just sayin that "every sport in the world" is an over-reach.
Every sport in America...
Domestic Soccer Leagues, no.
Just sayin that "every sport in the world" is an over-reach.
Every sport in America...
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:44 pm to Tiger Phil
quote:so they all play each other then? Twice? If you play everyone i guess it doesn't really matter does it?
The English Premier League, for example plays 38 games - each other team twice - and the team with the best record wins the trophy.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:48 pm to Tiger Phil
And I would argue that the chief problem in college football is not the means by which we determine a champion.
It's the means by which we determine who qualifies to play for the championship. There's a difference.
In English soccer, again, each team plays every other league member twice, home and away. So clearly the team with the best record is the best team.
However, in college football, there is not enough games between ranked teams from different conferences to adequately determine the best teams. For instance, how do we really know who is better: Boise State, TCU or a theoretical one-loss SEC Champion? Because of the former's record against an ACC Champ or a Pac-Ten bowl team? Hardly a real measure.
The true solution is not "more teams in a playoff!!", and the previous poster alluded.
Rather, it would be more meaningful games among contenders. A better measure to find out who the best two (or better yet, FOUR, but no more) teams are.
It's the means by which we determine who qualifies to play for the championship. There's a difference.
In English soccer, again, each team plays every other league member twice, home and away. So clearly the team with the best record is the best team.
However, in college football, there is not enough games between ranked teams from different conferences to adequately determine the best teams. For instance, how do we really know who is better: Boise State, TCU or a theoretical one-loss SEC Champion? Because of the former's record against an ACC Champ or a Pac-Ten bowl team? Hardly a real measure.
The true solution is not "more teams in a playoff!!", and the previous poster alluded.
Rather, it would be more meaningful games among contenders. A better measure to find out who the best two (or better yet, FOUR, but no more) teams are.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:49 pm to dreaux
Yup...
But of course the season runs from August to May...
But of course the season runs from August to May...
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:50 pm to tiger88
quote:
I was thinking of the World Cup, which, best to my knowledge is a contest whose champion is determined among 16 teams on the field.
*32 teams
Now back to the idea of college football playoffs, until someone comes up with a CLEAR plan that makes sense, it will never happen. The people pushing for a playoff can't even agree if its going to be 4,8 or 16 teams. They need to all agree and come up with ONE plan that makes sense so that the idea can have a significant push. And this won't solve the bitching either, if the season ended today for example who would get in if u have 4, 8 or 16 teams playoff?
The BCS is fine, however the +1 would be better and I think it will get implemented. The playoffs however would just be another mess.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:53 pm to Tiger Phil
quote:
False.
The world's most popular sport - soccer - doesn't have a playoff for most of it's domestic leagues.
The English Premier League, for example plays 38 games - each other team twice - and the team with the best record wins the trophy.
No playoff.
That's basically one big playoff. They don't determind a champion by vote or computers do they?
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:58 pm to JG77056
well its not really a playoff because playoffs would involve teams getting eliminated along the way til one is left standing. Most countries have Cups, where they do that.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 7:58 pm to Tiger Phil
quote:
The English Premier League, for example plays 38 games - each other team twice - and the team with the best record wins the trophy.
Yeah, but that's 38 games in which EVERY team plays each other 2x. The champion is unquestionably determined on the pitch or whatever they call it. In college football, it's impossible for every team to play each other. How can we know for sure that the one loss team at #1 is better than the one loss team that is #5 or an undefeated non-BCS team unless they play each other? Hell, we were a Terrence Cody blocked field goal and a clock malfunction away from a TCU-Cincinnati national championship game last year. Both teams looked like crap and ended up getting exposed in their bowl games.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 8:03 pm to tiger88
quote:
The BCS responded to the news of Shurtleff's DOJ meeting with a familiar refrain. "It's hard to imagine a bigger waste of the taxpayer's money," BCS coordinator Bill Hancock said.
Posted on 11/5/10 at 8:32 pm to Tiger Phil
quote:
World Cup, yes.
Domestic Soccer Leagues, no.
Just sayin that "every sport in the world" is an over-reach.
Every sport in America...
well there is also the champions league, where the champions of the domestic leagues get to move on and play the other champions to determine the best on the pitch
that would be akin to not requiring the different conferences to have a full on playoff to determine their champ, but have a playoff to determine the overall champion.
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