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Why can't we recruit and develop QB's

Posted on 10/27/10 at 6:04 pm
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
94331 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 6:04 pm
like runningbacks. Miles is racking up a stockpile of quality running backs but the QB recruits that are quality commitments have been sparse at best. I know we've had a few but those haven't worked out

RP: Kicked off the team
JL: Benched and left to rot after a very fixable problem
JJ: Not very good
Garrett: transferred
Z. Lee: Played Les to get his money from the Dodgers

Can you blame me for having a feeling that something will happen with Mett (assuming we get him) that screws him up?
This post was edited on 10/27/10 at 6:05 pm
Posted by AcetylCoA
Pasadena, California
Member since Nov 2009
2654 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 6:10 pm to
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recruit

Personally I think this is the problem.I am not buying that we can't develop them. I think JJ and JL are just not big time college QB's. JJ is very inaccurate and IMO is not a true QB. JL problem is that he runs a 7.5 40 and probably an 8.3 shuttle. He just isn't mobile enough for the lack of OL pass protection.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127362 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 6:23 pm to
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I think JJ and JL are just not big time college QB's.



JJ was definitely supposed to be a project. He was not supposed to have a major impact in college until he was a junior.

What I have seen from JJ now after watching him as a college player is that he is not a instinctive runner. Most of his runs are by design.

He also appeared to have declined as a passer. I think he had about 1,000 passing yards during this time last year.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
20370 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 6:25 pm to
I think its simple:
1 Miles and co are poor evaluators of talent at Qb
2 Once we get a Qb Miles et all do little to help them grow and progress.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 6:34 pm to
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Personally I think this is the problem.I am not buying that we can't develop them. I think JJ and JL are just not big time college QB's. JJ is very inaccurate and IMO is not a true QB. JL problem is that he runs a 7.5 40 and probably an 8.3 shuttle. He just isn't mobile enough for the lack of OL pass protection.


Honestly, I think there's a major issue with the way we utilize JJ.

Watching him against Auburn and rewatching the game... he was moved the ball consistently when he got outside of the pocket. Roll him out and he can hit a guy, and if not, he just takes off and makes a nice gain.

Then, when he comes in for Lee after Lee gets hurt, he's playing with some sort of renewed confidence because he made a gorgeous throw on an 10 yard out to TT. That's not an easy throw. You don't just wake up one day and make that throw.

I think there's a lot of ability in him, but it's being stifled either by his own lack of dedication or our coach's inability to recognize his strengths and weaknesses. I feel like he could thrive in an offense like Oregon's where he was able to capitalize on his underrated mobility and utilize his arm strength without having to stand in the pocket and read route progressions (which he's terrible at).

Lee... I'm meh on. He has some of the worst pocket awareness of anyone I've ever seen. JJ holds the ball too long sometimes, but he'll move around some in the pocket and stand tall with people around him. First sign of pressure and Lee is back pedaling... most of the time needlessly.

ETA: Lee's footwork is something that can and should be corrected by coaching and hasn't been.
This post was edited on 10/27/10 at 6:44 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118580 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 7:25 pm to
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Watching him against Auburn and rewatching the game... he was moved the ball consistently when he got outside of the pocket. Roll him out and he can hit a guy, and if not, he just takes off and makes a nice gain.



After the first couple of games I disagreed with rolling JJ out...I'm changing my mind. It's a definite advantage for the QB to stay in the pocket because all receivers and the entire field is available. This is the reason that the roll out is rare in the NFL. However, in JJ's case I believe he's getting sensory overload. His relative success with rolling out might be due to the fact that his receiver options are reduced and the field is cut in half.

JL appears to have the mental ability to process the full array of receivers and the entire field while in the pocket, however he needs good O line play to be effective.
Posted by SeattleTiger19
Member since Oct 2007
4537 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 7:45 pm to
A QB coach would help. Just a thought though.
Posted by FanFrom318
DeBerry, TX
Member since Oct 2009
26 posts
Posted on 10/27/10 at 8:46 pm to
quote:

Watching him against Auburn and rewatching the game... he was moved the ball consistently when he got outside of the pocket. Roll him out and he can hit a guy, and if not, he just takes off and makes a nice gain.


I agree. JJ doesn't seem to be able to progress through the read if the 1st option is not open on straight drops. But if they roll him out he seems a lot better looking at half or a third of the field.
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32852 posts
Posted on 10/28/10 at 9:58 am to
quote:

Why can't we recruit and develop QB's
like runningbacks.


Louisiana is full of great running backs. We have had a dry spell of QB's since RP.

I know we don't have to have a qb from Louisiana, but it makes it much easier to get a good qb close to home.


As for the development, Lee has actually looked decent this year, but we don't play him. I personally thought Jefferson would not see the field until his junior or senior year when he was recruited and thought of him more as a camp arm with potential. But he has been the worst qb I have ever had to watch in my life.
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27720 posts
Posted on 10/28/10 at 10:10 am to
Cause Les and Gary suck
Posted by Teacher
Member since Sep 2006
3060 posts
Posted on 10/28/10 at 10:18 am to
Les's Failure and our OC is not QB friendly.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 10/28/10 at 10:22 am to
quote:

It's a definite advantage for the QB to stay in the pocket because all receivers and the entire field is available. This is the reason that the roll out is rare in the NFL. However, in JJ's case I believe he's getting sensory overload. His relative success with rolling out might be due to the fact that his receiver options are reduced and the field is cut in half.


Oh absolutely.

It's not optimum. But it helps him.

quote:

JL appears to have the mental ability to process the full array of receivers and the entire field while in the pocket, however he needs good O line play to be effective.



Good OL play and to rework his tendency to try and be a "gunslinger" and just wing a throw in there. He doesn't have a Favre arm. Get your feet set and make a good throw.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43050 posts
Posted on 10/28/10 at 11:39 am to
Jamarcus was developed into the 50 million dollar man. Its not Les' fault he turned into a bum. #1 overall pick in the draft folks, doesnt get anymore developed than that.
Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
2700 posts
Posted on 10/28/10 at 11:46 am to
A good QB coach should be able to take you and I and turn us into a descent QB's. I can complete 30 yard passes to covered WR's. How is it that every QB we have had has made no progress from the day he left High School. Get rid of one of the redundant coaches we have to make space for a REAL QB coach.

One that teaches guys how to read defenses, check down to at least the third option and put the ball on the money.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43050 posts
Posted on 10/28/10 at 12:11 pm to
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I can complete 30 yard passes to covered WR's.
Damn dawg Do you have any elligibility left? Handle up.
Posted by LSUandAU
Key West, FL & Malibu (L.A.), CA
Member since Apr 2009
4948 posts
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:16 pm to
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But he has been the worst qb I have ever had to watch in my life.


??...incredibly absurd comment...is it sarcasm! Most of you on this thread do not get it...these are 18-20 year old kids. JL and JJ were both thrown to the freakin wolves at 18 (in different years) without the development they deserved and should have had. Both are tremendous athletes, etc. It is freakin hilarious that people are on here talking about what these kids see in the pocket, how they reacted to 300+ pound monsters coming at them unblocked and how they handle adversity, etc. Have you ever played football, much less QB? Give me a break.

I wilL say the coaches deserve some blame, but had RP stayed, he would have started the last two years and both of these kids could have learned and grown before getting thrown in there. And, last year was perhaps the best year in recent memory for QB's coming out of LA high schools, many good ones from the BR area. I do not know if any (maybe 2-3 exceptions) could have contributed at the LSU level though.

The LSU coaches should "sign" 3 QB's every year, including two passers who are good athletes and one wildcat/athlete type. i do agree they don't get enough QB's and the more I write, the more I begin to calm down from my rant a at the start of this post. I have gone from to
Posted by LSUandAU
Key West, FL & Malibu (L.A.), CA
Member since Apr 2009
4948 posts
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:20 pm to
quote:

I can complete 30 yard passes to covered WR's.


come-on dude!

quote:

One that teaches guys how to read defenses, check down to at least the third option and put the ball on the money.


Just a little more complicated than that! What was the highest level you played?
Posted by SoGaFan
Member since Jan 2008
5956 posts
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:25 pm to
Well, thank God you have Bobo to help you out this year. I honestly think he is below average as an OC, but his QB mentoring abilities are top notch. Every single one of UGA's QBs have visibly improved in their time at UGA this decade. Mettenberger improved leaps and bounds in his first year at UGA, His athletic ability was always there, but Richt and Bobo taught him to actually read defenses and think like a QB. And in the age of the "prairie dog" college offense where everyone stands and looks over at the sideline to get the play after the D has lined up, that is a sad rarity in today's game.
Posted by GABlueDog
Marietta, GA
Member since Dec 2008
8045 posts
Posted on 10/28/10 at 11:14 pm to
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