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THE Issue with the Tigers 2008-2010
Posted on 10/25/10 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 10/25/10 at 5:56 pm
I posted this on another unnamed Tiger board....I'm too lazy to retype or paraphrase it...here it is
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It's been awhile since I've posted here, but I've kept up with the posts and the overall mood of the fans.
I think that CLM has taken a beating, but in all fairness, you need to apply some perspective to the discussion. To me, it is painfully obvious what the problem is with this team, and last years team, and the year before that's team....
In all three years, the Tigers have managed to keep recruiting going, win 8 or more and go to some good bowl games. what is painfully obvious to me and no one ever seems to mention - because it's become fashionable to KILL CLM at every opportunity - is that this team has been without a competent SEC caliber QB for 3 years including this year. THE problem with this team is and has been since 2008 is....
THE QUARTERBACK POSITION.....PERIOD!!!......it's really that simple
This years defense, special teams, and running game are great.... Try this thought experiment, put Matt Flynn on this team......chew on that one for a while and any reasonable person would say that we'd still be 5-0 AND we would be a major BCS title contender
2008 - Freshman QB - 1 st year starting (all 3 of them )
2009 - 1 st year starter - JJ
2010 - Starter has regressed and is being replaced
All 3 years Crowton has to scale back the playbook so the QB position can function. remember Crowtons play.calling in 2007? Masterful! Re-watch the BCSNCG - inspired game plan and play-calling!
WHY?.... Because the QB position could deliver on the plays being called. There is a reason that play calling has gone stupid since 2008....... The QB position can not deliver on the depth and complexity of the playbook
I could go on and on, but you get my drift.
SO, nothing wrong with being a first year starter, I think Lee can be a great QB for the remaining of the year and
next yr.
And as a contrast, look at UGA! 1st yr starter at QB and they are 1-4! With all the problems we've had - Co-Dummies AND 1st yr starter at QB we STILL had almost 10 wins! You could argue that that was a miraculous coaching effort......but NO, CLM doesn't get ANY appreciation or respect....
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It's been awhile since I've posted here, but I've kept up with the posts and the overall mood of the fans.
I think that CLM has taken a beating, but in all fairness, you need to apply some perspective to the discussion. To me, it is painfully obvious what the problem is with this team, and last years team, and the year before that's team....
In all three years, the Tigers have managed to keep recruiting going, win 8 or more and go to some good bowl games. what is painfully obvious to me and no one ever seems to mention - because it's become fashionable to KILL CLM at every opportunity - is that this team has been without a competent SEC caliber QB for 3 years including this year. THE problem with this team is and has been since 2008 is....
THE QUARTERBACK POSITION.....PERIOD!!!......it's really that simple
This years defense, special teams, and running game are great.... Try this thought experiment, put Matt Flynn on this team......chew on that one for a while and any reasonable person would say that we'd still be 5-0 AND we would be a major BCS title contender
2008 - Freshman QB - 1 st year starting (all 3 of them )
2009 - 1 st year starter - JJ
2010 - Starter has regressed and is being replaced
All 3 years Crowton has to scale back the playbook so the QB position can function. remember Crowtons play.calling in 2007? Masterful! Re-watch the BCSNCG - inspired game plan and play-calling!
WHY?.... Because the QB position could deliver on the plays being called. There is a reason that play calling has gone stupid since 2008....... The QB position can not deliver on the depth and complexity of the playbook
I could go on and on, but you get my drift.
SO, nothing wrong with being a first year starter, I think Lee can be a great QB for the remaining of the year and
next yr.
And as a contrast, look at UGA! 1st yr starter at QB and they are 1-4! With all the problems we've had - Co-Dummies AND 1st yr starter at QB we STILL had almost 10 wins! You could argue that that was a miraculous coaching effort......but NO, CLM doesn't get ANY appreciation or respect....
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:00 pm to Hotlanta Tigerbot
Okay wo we have many QB's on the team and plenty that can run better than Jefferson. So where do we place the blame that they don't play?
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:04 pm to Hotlanta Tigerbot
quote:
THE QUARTERBACK POSITION.....PERIOD!!!......it's really that simple
So let me get this straight.
Jarrett Lee is dumb. Jordan Jefferson is dumb. Russell Shepard is dumb.
Got it.
GTFO you Crowton supporter
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:05 pm to Weaver
You forgot S. Ware is dumb too!
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:07 pm to hemiroid
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You forgot S. Ware is dumb too!
Might as well add Barrett Bailey, Rueben Randle and TC Mccartney to the list as well.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:09 pm to Weaver
Im loving that Ware threw a pass and now all the sunshine pumpers can't say he couldn't throw a pass in the SEC! Great Stuff I tell you!!! 
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:14 pm to hemiroid
We all know that we don't have a viable QB for the SEC. The question is why? 2008 was two seasons ago, and by now there should be someone at the position who can get the job done. Yet we are still stuck with shitty performance after shitty performance.
The question is: How long can we keep blaming the QB play, and when should we just admit that LM and GC have not developed a QB in the last few seasons.
The question is: How long can we keep blaming the QB play, and when should we just admit that LM and GC have not developed a QB in the last few seasons.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:15 pm to CajunFootball
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The question is: How long can we keep blaming the QB play, and when should we just admit that LM and GC have not developed a QB in the last few seasons.
Bingo
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:16 pm to Weaver
No, YOU are the dumb one,... I knew better to try to have an intelligent discussion with Rantards!
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:20 pm to Hotlanta Tigerbot
I am dumb because you say LSU has not had a QB. We recruited the #1 dual threat QB in the country. Is everyone wrong but you?
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:24 pm to CajunFootball
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The question is: How long can we keep blaming the QB play, and when should we just admit that LM and GC have not developed a QB in the last few seasons.
We all know about the Perrilloux Effect. With him playing, we likely post 9-10 regular season wins in 2008. With him playing, we likely post 11-12 regular season wins in 2009. Then he goes pro and lights it up in the NFL, and then in 2010, we trot Jarrett Lee out onto the field as a first-year starting Junior QB who has had ample time to be eased into the transition of the level of play in the NCAA... maybe he lights it up, maybe he plays the same as he did in 2008... more likely he's somewhere in between a la Aaron Murray.
That's the ideal. But, this is LSU.
And Perrilloux gets kicked off the team. And we throw Lee into the fire. And then he gets his teeth knocked out. And we throw Jefferson into the fire. And he develops third-degree burns.
So then we look to start over by signing Zach Lee. This kid seems to be the real deal, someone that could "be a first-round pick in either the MLB or NFL." Someone who wouldn't sign his contract with the Dodgers for less than $5 mil and who was already participating in summer workouts. Because of this, Chris Garrett gets the DeAngelo Benton treatment and leaves the team.
So here we are... who's fault is it? I don't think it's simple enough to put the blame on one person. It goes everywhere. It's Perrilloux's fault for being and effing retard. It's Lee's fault for making horrible decisions under pressure. It's Jefferson's fault for making horrible decisions in general. It's Crowton's fault for not attempting to curb either of these tendencies. It's Z. Lee's fault for taking the money.
And it's Miles' fault for dismissing his All-American Quarterback, throwing two unprepared kids to the wolves of the SEC, failing to get someone on staff who can help develop them, and putting all his hopes on the shoulders of one kid that hadn't signed an L.O.I.
It's a tremendous shite-storm that covers everyone associated with the team.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:37 pm to chilge1
Does everyone forget about Andrew Hatch? Hatch was the starter coming into the 2008 season and looked decent enough before he got hurt. After that Lee was put into the game and thats when he had a pretty good game against Auburn.
Following that, he had his meltdown. Then JJ got his chance. Hatch was never revisited again after Lee went into the game. Being a year elder to them he would have been the logical person to continue playing. He transfered since he knew he had no chance to play QB(Same thing with RS who moved to Wr).
You can blame RP all you like, but it's not his fault we suck now. He got kicked off the team, and someone else should have taken his place. TWO COMPLETE SEASONS later no one has managed to produce. That can not be blamed on a player..only a coach.
Following that, he had his meltdown. Then JJ got his chance. Hatch was never revisited again after Lee went into the game. Being a year elder to them he would have been the logical person to continue playing. He transfered since he knew he had no chance to play QB(Same thing with RS who moved to Wr).
You can blame RP all you like, but it's not his fault we suck now. He got kicked off the team, and someone else should have taken his place. TWO COMPLETE SEASONS later no one has managed to produce. That can not be blamed on a player..only a coach.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:42 pm to CajunFootball
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You can blame RP all you like, but it's not his fault we suck now. He got kicked off the team, and someone else should have taken his place. TWO COMPLETE SEASONS later no one has managed to produce. That can not be blamed on a player..only a coach.
No, it's not his fault we suck now. And I said the same thing in one of the "Elite" threads. It's his fault we sucked last year and the year prior. But you're wrong in saying that the blame can't be placed on a player AND ONLY a coach.
Rather, I think that what we're seeing now is a simple case where the college scouts got it wrong. I think Jarrett Lee was never an Elite 11 quarterback and I don't think Jordan Jefferson was ever worth of 4 stars. And I think when this was recognized, the coaches decided that rather than try to craft a sculpture out of manure, they'd be better served trying to hide the quarterbacks and shift the focus of the games away from them.
ETA: I won't really discuss Hatch with you. He played against Moo State pre-Mullen and Appalachain State. It's like trying to gauge the season according to how we played against McNeese.
This post was edited on 10/25/10 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:46 pm to Hotlanta Tigerbot
quote:True - but nobody is arguing with this.
...is that this team has been without a competent SEC caliber QB for 3 years including this year.
quote:False - Crowton's playbook & play calling "is what it is" and it's been the same at Oregon, BYU, and Chicago.
All 3 years Crowton has to scale back the playbook so the QB position can function.
quote:It was not his playbook or play calling that was used in 2007 (first year).
Crowtons play.calling in 2007? Masterful!
quote:I had never heard this about Crowton until he came here - Media Guide/Prmotional BS!
...the depth and complexity of the playbook..
quote:That happens when the CEO has no clue about daily operations.
......but NO, CLM doesn't get ANY appreciation or respect...
This post was edited on 10/25/10 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:48 pm to Hotlanta Tigerbot
Your assessment of the quarterback situation makes a good argument as to why LSU's offfense is not one of the best in CFB. What it does not do is explain why LSU's offense is, in fact, one of the worst. The Chinese fire drill that occurs whenever the LSU coaching staff (Les) has to make a critical decision such as the 4th-and-6 playcall against Auburn would be a good place to start. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying LSU should fire Les Miles. What I am saying is that its no longer a surprise when his LSU teams appear clueless at crucial stages of football games. Its part of the Les Miles coaching style, love it or hate it. A lot of times we've gotten by on dumb luck, but sometimes we just get stuck with the dumb part.
This post was edited on 10/25/10 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:48 pm to DVtiger
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It was not his playbook or play calling that was used in 2007 (first year).
Bull fricking shite.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:49 pm to chilge1
Is it their fault that they do not properly run the system in which they operate or is it that the coaches do not use their strengths?
If JL was at Alabama would he be better since he wouldn't have to run the shotgun as much? If JJ was at Southern, would he not play better in their spread screen/run offense?
The coaches aren't using the Qb's strength..simple. Not my fault that they line up 4 wide and expect the Qb's to be Matt Flynn when they are not.
If JL was at Alabama would he be better since he wouldn't have to run the shotgun as much? If JJ was at Southern, would he not play better in their spread screen/run offense?
The coaches aren't using the Qb's strength..simple. Not my fault that they line up 4 wide and expect the Qb's to be Matt Flynn when they are not.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:50 pm to el gato
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should fire Les Miles. What I am saying is that its no longer a surprise when his LSU teams appear clueless at crucial stages of football games
Here's a question for people who spend more time analyzing shite than I do. Prior to Ole Miss in 2009. How many of these mind-boggling occurrences have there been? I don't recall a single one prior. Now, contrast that with what we've seen since.
2009 Ole Miss
2009 Penn State
2010 Tennessee
2010 Auburn
What the hell happened to this team?
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:51 pm to chilge1
Where were you in 2005?
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