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nhassl1
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Who was your dog trainer?


duck & upland?
would you recommend them?
how long is "good enough"?

sending my GSP off this weekend to Steve Riggins, Bear Creek on the Bayou, and just want to know what expect out of the typical 4-5 month training. i am getting him trained for upland and ducks. Hoping to get some late 2nd split hunts in with him. is this a reasonable expectation?







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jmtigers
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re: Who was your dog trainer?


how old is your GSP? I may be looking to send mine off for the same type of training.





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nhassl1
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6 months on the 27th, but his teeth are in so he's ready to go.





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wickowick
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Some GSPs love to retrieve; some will do it as forced, but very few will be anything like a true retriever. I know, I tried and they will retrieve to a degree, but they would rather be bird hunting and it shows.

A lot of the upland training will be instinct and exposure to birds (preferably wild) and hunting with other dogs where they can learn from more experienced dogs and time in the woods.

Wild bird exposure for training will be very limited in Louisiana, some of the field trial dogs are shipped up north for the summer.

I have three GSPs, let me give you some advise, if you have not bought a e-collar, get one soon, preferably with a beeper. Dogtra is very good, don’t get a cheap collar, you will just spend more on the second one.






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Tounces
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My yellow lab is at Steve's right now. He goes up alot trying to pass the Grand. Steve does a great job and is a great guy.





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nhassl1
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i am starting to see his stubbornes now... i assume this is what you are talking about using the collar for? after a little bit of usage with it, does just the beep get theie attention enough? this is my first hunting dog fyi





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Da Hammer
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I train and hunt test/feild trial all my dogs myself and occasionally take on a dog for a freind.

I know Steve Riggins he does a good job and has some nice dogs.

If I had to pick a trainer it would be:

1. Mark Smith Hands down best trainer in the state, however he specializes in feild trials and for the guy just wanting a hunting dog that is over the top. However there is no better dog trainer in Louisiana.

2. Chuck McCall- Does more hunt test training and duck hunt training.

3. Bart Posey

4. Ed Thibodeaux

5. Steve Riggins

As far as realistic expectations of hunting your dog I would think that by the second split he will be ready to hunt somewhat. He may not be a perfect dog by then, but he should be servicable in the blind and Steve should be able to have him taking basic handsignals by then.






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wickowick
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The dog will reach a point soon, if he has not already, where he knows commands, and will perform those commands within ~10’ of you. The problem comes outside of that range. He knows what you want, but if leaning that he is quicker and faster than you and can run away.

A check cords will work for awhile, but not forever. A bird dog needs to run and gain independence, but you need to have him under control. The ability to stop him running a deer or to call him back from a road is priceless.

The collar is no substitute for training. The dog must know his commands; it is just a reinforcer of what it already knows. Most time a small shock, only slightly stronger than a tingle is enough to remind the dog that he is still under your control.

You will need the beeper for upland hunting. If the dog goies on point, you will not be able to see him.

Woodcock season opens December 18th, bring the dog to the woods. He will make mistakes, but he will also be learning…






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nhassl1
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i spoke to chuck and he said he hasn't worked with many gsp's or pointers for that matter. he sounded as if he wasnt 100% comfortable with them. i have no doubt that he is a great trainer for labs, but i got the impression that he would rather work with a retreiver. i could be wrong though...

who is Bart Posey, where is he located?






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Da Hammer
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Bart is in Picayune, MS. I am pretty sure I have seen Ed Thibodeaux run GSP's before. Honestly you see some in the hunt test game but not a lot so there aren't a ton of trainers running them as many GSP owners don't run duck stuff with them. However I have seen some that have run well in hunt tests and in fact saw one a few years back go to the last series of the grand.





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wickowick
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There is a guy in Krotz Springs that trains upland dogs. His name escapes me at the moment, but if you call Long River Lodge, LINK / they can point you in the right direction.





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wickowick
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Also, Lou Gleber from Loranger, is an upland trainer and runs upland field trials.

And something to think about is sending the dog to a retriever trainer for the basics and get his feedback on the dogs ability. If he shows potential, you might want to pursue competitive retrieving in the future.

As far as upland training, get him in the woods first for a season, if he has a good bloodline, his instincts will already be there, additional training cam come latter and will not be needed now, and might not be needed later.



This post was edited on 9/9 at 11:44 am


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Vol Fan in the Bayou
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I bought and had my male trained with Kim and Steve. I like them a lot and Steve does a great job with his 99% of his dogs. The problem was that mine was the 1% that didn't do well with his training routine.

For what ever reason, my dog lacked confidence. He would shut down for fear of being shocked if he couldn't make the retrieve. We worked and worked but could never get his confidence back.

I then moved my dog to a different trainer that didn't use the collar. DIFFERENT DOG!!! He is now one of the best dogs I have EVER owned.

That being said, Steve did a great job laying the foundation to the outstanding hunting skills he now has.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I just had a goofy dog that didn't respond to Steve's proven training skills.

As far as your expectations, keep them low. Very low. He isn't going to be what you want, but that is exactly where he is supposed to be. Remember, this is a process that takes several years to get to a great dog. Hey, if he exceeds your expectations the it will make it even more memorable!

Best of luck!







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nhassl1
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re: Who was your dog trainer?


Vol, what type of dog do you have?





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Mugatu
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re: Who was your dog trainer?


Ronnie Lee is a great trainer in MS. He got Grands and MH on two of my labs. Although he probably would not take your GSP.





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Vol Fan in the Bayou
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quote:

Vol, what type of dog do you have?


Yellow lab that they bred. (He is as white as a sheet of paper) I have never trained or worked with a GSP so I have idea what their personality is. Just hunted over them.



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Brinner
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Dont listen to this guy. he doesnt have a GSP. this is the closest thing he is getting to a GSP.






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nhassl1
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he's better than your mutt!!!










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Vol Fan in the Bayou
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In all seriousness, Steve is a very good trainer and your dog should get plenty of work this year at Covey Rise. I would also suggest taking him back after the second split and letting Steve keep working with him at Covey Rise.





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moonshine
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re: Who was your dog trainer?


Steve Trained mine. Just the hunting basics. Sent him there at 4 months took him a couple times the first split and would bring him back to Steve. Took him home for good at the start of the second split. He was there 3.5 months. Picked up about 150 birds for me. Not finished by any means but does the basics needed to hunt. I have been working wiht him since and getting him used to hand signals and that stuff. Steve does a good job is reasonably priced and is a great guy in general.





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