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BIG MEN???? WHO CAN WE GET REALISTICALLY?

Posted on 8/18/10 at 9:15 pm
Posted by irvchilichill1
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2009
720 posts
Posted on 8/18/10 at 9:15 pm
Ok. so, the team is coming around and seems to be a backup point guard and big man away from being taken serious.

These r the teams that have a surplus of big men and who we could rpossibly trade for:

1. Dallas-- They have Tyson and Brendan Haywood, plus they have Ian Mahinmi 6'11 (who I wanted the Hornets to sign earlier), and Alexis Ajinca 7'0 (who looked decent in the France v. USA game last Sunday). I would try for Tyson, but I would take a hard look at the next two. Ajinca is really athletic and Mahinmi has done good things when he got few chances in San Antonio. Two to really consider.

2.Memphis- They have Gasol, who I think we all want if we could make it happen, but they also have Thabeet (could be a good defensive stopper off the bench and Chris may help accelerate his development), Hamed Hadaddi 7'2 (never really seen him but seems to be a bit raw),Steven Hunter (serviceable but obviously would want better. If we could get Gasol, I would be ecstatic and we'd be legit, but wishful thinking, so maybe we can get Thabeet and Memphis may be able to salvage the pick, he'll never be worthy of the 2nd pick that he got, but he may be able to provide some rebounding and defensive presence that we're lacking. Ditto for Hadaddi.

3. Oklahoma City- Has a collective group of big men that pretty much all the same caliber. Drafted Cole Aldrich (who I was glad to see go, cuz I would have been done), Nenad Kristic (played well several seasons ago for Charlotte I think, but flamed out since), Nick Collison (not the answer and basically was a better Aldrich supposedly when he came out, but not difference maker),Tibor Pleiss 7'1 but he's a rookie and no nothing of him, overseas footage wasn't overly exciting, Byron Mullens 7'1, who I guess they lost faith on already, since they went hurry and got Aldrich a year later, Etan Thomas (unsigned really)is decent off the bench and was strong in Washington that year against LeBron, in route to the 2007 Finals. However, I would seriously consider trying to make a David West trade with Serge Ibaka and throw something else good in like Eric Maynor and maybe a 1st round pick? Feasible right? I like Ibaka and think he can develop into something really decent, borderline All-star.

4.Orlando- Maybe a Dwest deal including Gortat and B Bass or something. Have to be confident that Gortat can be an offensive weapon along with defense in order to make that call. Wouldn't mind seeing Gortat get a chance somewhere, seems like the Orlando situation is limiting his development and he wished he could've went tto Dallas last year. Orlando could be looking for some cap relief, well over the luxury tax.

5. Philly- not much on the roster really. Spencer Hawes (yawn), Tony Battie (seems like he's been playing since I was in high school),Mareese Speights (interesting, but not sure if he isn't maxed out with is ability, too risky), Jason Smith (yawn), Francisco Elison (nothing special, would only give a second rounder and then I would have to think about it). Nothing here, moving on....

6.Portland- If you want the splash trade, figure out how to do a David West for LaMarcus Aldrige deal!!! Would love his length and ability to develop further with Chris helping him. Formidable, if you dont have to give up much more outside of David and you could get your back up point guard in either JArryd Bayless or Patty Mills (who I really like and should try for anyways, standing alone). Others--Joe Pryzbilla (meh), Camby (too old, not going to put us over the hump), Oden, Blazers would want too much in return for a huge risk, pass.

7. Sacramento- now that they got Cousins, Dalembert may be expendable but I think they want to gently break COusins in, so to get Dalembert we would have to give up a lil bit more probably. Maybe West for a Jason Thompson 6'11 (solid back up 4)or trying to get Hassan Whiteside 7'0 (may not have enuff time to develop with Chirs applying pressure to win, but I would love to try and get him, tremedous upside). May try for Thompson, but have to believe he can be a true starter and can not be a drastic fall off from David along with whoever else we'd get out the deal.

8. Toronto- has a few big men to consider and could be viable. I wouldnt mind Solomon Alabi 7'1 off the bench for us to be a tall defensive minded player, David Anderson (dont know, dont think so), Pat O'Bryant (FA but never developed like he should), Rasho but he's too old.

9. Washington- suprisingly good athletic bigs on the roster. Andray Blatche is solid but I think Javele MCGee is one to get if we were to make a trade. McGee 7'0 is really coming along and I could see him as Tyson 2.0. I like trading David there as well ,because it is a real area of need for them and I think they'd seriously be opened to it. McGee is going to be nice, from here on out. Possible All-Star down the line. Hamady Ndiaye 7'0 defensive presence off the bench if you could get him.

That's about it for teams with a surplus of big men...

Others to consider: DeAndre Jones 7'0 (starting to show promis, but prob. Clippers center of the future),Earl Barron (played well in summer league two years in a row and for us last year), Milwaukee's Ersa Ilayasova 7'0, stas look decent and could be solid off the bench but I wouldnt give up nothing to get him really.

That's it...The free-agent list is not even worth mentioning. Really poor if u ask me.

So who yall think is worthy and REALISTIC!!!!
Posted by lighter345
Member since Jan 2009
11864 posts
Posted on 8/18/10 at 9:20 pm to
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Posted by Bigsike
Member since Jan 2009
1382 posts
Posted on 8/18/10 at 9:53 pm to
Why are you trying to trade the most underated PF in the NBA away?

David West needs to get some respect around here. He produces year in and year out. I'll take 20/10 all day.

Posted by kadillak
Member since Nov 2007
7641 posts
Posted on 8/18/10 at 9:54 pm to
Dwight Howard
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63415 posts
Posted on 8/18/10 at 10:05 pm to
quote:

David West needs to get some respect around here. He produces year in and year out. I'll take 20/10 all day.


I respect his 18 ft jumper and the fact that he can put up points. But his defense and rebounding should be better. I like him, but I don't think he's "untradeable".
Posted by americanoutlaw
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2010
4724 posts
Posted on 8/18/10 at 10:13 pm to
Whenever he's in that 18 foot fade-away jumper mode he's awesome to watch. Of course whenever he's missing that shot and decides to do it 5 possessions in a row, it may be the most frustrating part of being a dwest fan
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61434 posts
Posted on 8/18/10 at 10:25 pm to
Short answer: from your list I think Thompson, Whiteside and Mahinmi are the most realistic options. I also wouldn't use West to get a back up big. This has to be done with Songaila and/or 2nd rounders. Long answer:

Dallas - Mahinmi would be the target here I think. Cheap contract and Demps helped develop him.

Memphis - Thabeet - another center from UCONN, not exactly a good track record for the Hornets. Hadaddi, here's a write up on him when he got more minutes last year while Thabeet was in D League. LINK It sounds like he may not even give us what Gray does.

OKC - I'd take Ibaka and that's it, so not going to happen.

Orlando - Gortat's not going anywhere. They aren't giving up their primary backup center.

Portland - The only one available is Przy and I wouldn't give up a 1st for him. I've heard that Patty Mills is holding out for a guaranteed contract, Portland has only offered him an unguaranteed deal. He possibly could be stolen.

Sac - I'd take Thompson or Whiteside if it could be done for Songaila and/or a 2nd rounder.

Toronto - thinner than us up front, no way we get a big from them unless they are getting a better big back in return.

Washington - I like McGee, but they seem interested in West and that wouldn't work. An athletic center is a compliment to the Paul/West pick and roll, not a substitute for it.

Posted by THRILLHO
Metry, LA
Member since Apr 2006
49487 posts
Posted on 8/18/10 at 10:32 pm to
I agree with yall, some people are too quick to give up West, who is pretty key to our offense right now. I wouldn't give him up unless we got back another PF who is capable of an efficient 12-15 a night + good defense.
Posted by LSUAce007
Member since Feb 2007
9675 posts
Posted on 8/18/10 at 10:51 pm to
Could you imagine how pissed Paul would be if we traded West to get a back up center?
Posted by JS87
Member since Aug 2010
16643 posts
Posted on 8/18/10 at 10:59 pm to
quote:

David West needs to get some respect around here. He produces year in and year out. I'll take 20/10 all day.



He's a good player don't get me wrong, but his attitude is what bothers me.
Posted by Pistol...2K4
25 foot assassin
Member since Jun 2004
6918 posts
Posted on 8/18/10 at 11:35 pm to
quote:

Posted by THRILLHO
I agree with yall, some people are too quick to give up West, who is pretty key to our offense right now. I wouldn't give him up unless we got back another PF who is capable of an efficient 12-15 a night + good defense.




^^^^^^^^

THIS
Posted by Pistol...2K4
25 foot assassin
Member since Jun 2004
6918 posts
Posted on 8/18/10 at 11:37 pm to
Plus what Grayson/ ATL wrote
Posted by novowels
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
2400 posts
Posted on 8/19/10 at 6:46 am to
quote:

David West needs to get some respect around here. He produces year in and year out. I'll take 20/10 all day.


Yeah who cares about defense anyway?
Posted by Ghazi
Dallas Mavs 2011 NBA Champions
Member since Dec 2007
16121 posts
Posted on 8/19/10 at 6:49 am to
Mavs will gladly throw in Chandler as a filler in a CP3 trade

Even Mahinmi/Ajinca... project big men with some potential.

Also, OKC wouldn't in a million years give up Ibaka in a trade centered around David West... (contracts wouldn't work otherwise).
This post was edited on 8/19/10 at 6:50 am
Posted by Bigsike
Member since Jan 2009
1382 posts
Posted on 8/19/10 at 7:20 am to
quote:

BIG MEN???? WHO CAN WE GET REALISTICALLY?

quote:


David West needs to get some respect around here. He produces year in and year out. I'll take 20/10 all day.





He's a good player don't get me wrong, but his attitude is what bothers me.


Actually I was going to say this exact thing about him. I respect the hell out of his game. There hasn't been many PF in the league who are consistant as him but he sure does have a horrible attitude. This does take a toll on his game when he is crying for a foul while the other team is on a fast break. That would be my only bone to pick with him.

Other than that he is the perfect go to big man for the hornets right now. Lets scoop up a Patty Mills type guy to backup Paul and pickup 2 cheap quality backup big men and call it a day.

When Pejas contract expires we can worry about revamping again. Until then lets enjoy this young team we have that should finish up with a playoff appearance this season.

Plenty of good things to look at this season:
1. Chris Paul is healthy <<<< TOP PG in the league
2. Thorton is in his second year and shouldn't have a problem getting open looks.
3. Ariza is going to hit open shots and play multiple positions. Not to mention he will lock down the other teams best wing player.
4. Pejas contract is expiring
5. Okafor can play his game which is rebound and defense. Everyone was bitching about his stats last season. Go check them out, they are basically the same stats he has had his whole career except he played a little less minutes. We know exactly who we were getting when we traded for him.

Posted by novowels
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2008
2400 posts
Posted on 8/19/10 at 7:50 am to
quote:

David West needs to get some respect around here. He produces year in and year out. I'll take 20/10 all day.


quote:

Okafor can play his game which is rebound and defense. Everyone was bitching about his stats last season. Go check them out, they are basically the same stats he has had his whole career except he played a little less minutes.


Defense is the issue here. The two did not work very well together in their first year. Okafor is undersized for a Center and West is just flat out not a good defender. Check out our differential stats in the big man categories (rebs, blks, pts). We were near the bottom of the league in all of these.

LINK
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
27678 posts
Posted on 8/19/10 at 11:23 am to
quote:

Oklahoma City


If I were picking one from them, I'd go with Serge Ibaka. Young, explosive, and plenty of upside. Can play the 4 or 5. I don't think OKC would get rid of him, and I don't see both sides benefiting from any trade with him involved.


I don't see David West leaving this team this year, unless it is to get a star. He is our top scoring threat right now.
Posted by Lloyd Christmas
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
4283 posts
Posted on 8/19/10 at 3:15 pm to
Josh Boone or Amundson. The best available. Chandler isnt a realistic possibility
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32853 posts
Posted on 8/23/10 at 2:01 pm to
Why are you trying to trade DWest for back-up centers?

We just need to find a way to get rid of Okafur and his salary.
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