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Posted on 2/9/10 at 6:50 am
Posted on 2/9/10 at 6:50 am
First off, I know that we are very young and still recouping from the John Brady era. But my question is simple: How do we get to be a consistent top 25 team? From what I know, facilities aren't the problem. And Johnson is pretty well respected as a coach. There are maybe 10 programs that I can pick that are head and shoulders above us in things to offer recruits. So how do we get there??? 
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Posted on 2/9/10 at 7:28 am to Tony Camaro
how many consistent top 25 teams exist?
the sec doesn't even have 1 team that has finished in the top 25 both of the last 2 seasons.
using espn.com i found the final poll they have listed for 07, 08, 09.
teams that have finished in the top 25 all 3 years per these listings =
UNC
louisville
pitt
memphis
kansas
UCLA
marquette
texas
butler
teams that have finished there 2 of 3 years=
mich st
villanova
tennessee
duke
purdue
xavier
georgetown
wash st
notre dame
the sec doesn't even have 1 team that has finished in the top 25 both of the last 2 seasons.
using espn.com i found the final poll they have listed for 07, 08, 09.
teams that have finished in the top 25 all 3 years per these listings =
UNC
louisville
pitt
memphis
kansas
UCLA
marquette
texas
butler
teams that have finished there 2 of 3 years=
mich st
villanova
tennessee
duke
purdue
xavier
georgetown
wash st
notre dame
This post was edited on 2/9/10 at 7:29 am
Posted on 2/9/10 at 8:07 am to AreJay
Posted on 2/9/10 at 8:31 am to Tony Camaro
quote:
First off, I know that we are very young and still recouping from the John Brady era.
Recover from the John Brady era?
You mean that disastrous decade that included only a Final four, Sweet 16, 3 SEC titles and 4 Western Division championships.
Guess if you repeat a lie often enough some people will believe it.
Posted on 2/9/10 at 9:17 am to tiger20
...or that stout 74-93 winning record in the SEC.
ETA: Oh never mind that's a losing record.
ETA: Oh never mind that's a losing record.
This post was edited on 2/9/10 at 9:18 am
Posted on 2/9/10 at 9:57 am to thenry712
I guess no one really understands what Brady over came what Brown left him. It is almost the same as SMU, and they still haven't recovered. To count any wins or losses in his first two years is not right. I am a Brady fan no doubt, because I have seen first hand what college coaches have to deal with to have any type of success. Most people have no idea. It's hard to have consistent success in college bb. Every two to three years having a chance is really all you can hope for these days because of the NBA. To be really successful you have to go after the lottery picks and guys who have a chance to play in the NBA. Every now and then someone will get lucky, but for the most part if you recruit four year guys you are going to be in the NIT. Every now and then you get a horse who will stay four years because his parents have money, at the end of the day that's what it is all about. Just look at the guys Brady had here and if they would have stayed ONE more year. Look at the NBA draft and see how many jr's and sr's there are, not many.
Posted on 2/9/10 at 10:10 am to cjf33
Your post is filled with so much failure, that it is completely ridiculous. Do a little research and tell me how many NBA early entry players Michigan State and Kansas have had in the last decade.
If you are not a team that can replace early entry players with other early entry players on a yearly basis, you have no business recruiting them in the first place, other than occasionally. It is no different than building a team off of junior college players. Your are setting yourself up for peaks and valleys.
Teams can and do win with 4-year players, especially when those teams are sprinkled with an early-entry type player every now and then, and there is little attrition among the remainder of the team. That is what Trent Johnson's plan is.
How many early-entry type players have been produced in Lousiana during Trent Johnnson's tenure at LSU, including next season? Answer: Zero.
If you are not a team that can replace early entry players with other early entry players on a yearly basis, you have no business recruiting them in the first place, other than occasionally. It is no different than building a team off of junior college players. Your are setting yourself up for peaks and valleys.
Teams can and do win with 4-year players, especially when those teams are sprinkled with an early-entry type player every now and then, and there is little attrition among the remainder of the team. That is what Trent Johnson's plan is.
How many early-entry type players have been produced in Lousiana during Trent Johnnson's tenure at LSU, including next season? Answer: Zero.
Posted on 2/9/10 at 10:23 am to Bubba Hotep
Wait. That's how. Let Trent do his rebuilding thing.
ETA: Brady was an a-hole who could have done far far more with the NBA talent he had.
ETA: Brady was an a-hole who could have done far far more with the NBA talent he had.
This post was edited on 2/9/10 at 10:25 am
Posted on 2/9/10 at 10:42 am to Nearl
tiger20 and cj are so pathetic.
Posted on 2/9/10 at 10:43 am to tiger20
quote:
Guess if you repeat a lie often enough some people will believe it.
That seems to work for some with the "mediocre" football program at LSU.
I give Brady his due in that we had some fine teams and ever one great team, but my problem was that I never knew from yr to the next if we would make the Dance or not. I mean one yr we have 28 wins and the every next one we have 13. One yr we have 27 wins and reach the Final 4 and the next we have 17 and don't see post season play.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Dale proved with his 15 postseason appearances in a row that we can do better than 5 postseason trips in 11 yrs.
Posted on 2/9/10 at 10:47 am to Tiger Authority
I can see the points made by a Miles apologist.
But Brady apologists?
But Brady apologists?
Posted on 2/9/10 at 11:00 am to Bubba Hotep
Name the SEC programs that do not recruit NBA level players but still win conference championships or come anywhere near the Final Four. Good luck! Viva la Daddy Dale 
and BRADYSTEAMROLLER!! 
and BRADYSTEAMROLLER!! Posted on 2/9/10 at 11:00 am to Tony Camaro
Keep recruiting a good core of good 4-year players (Tasmin Mitchell comes to mind) to minimize attrition as much as possible. I'm not saying to not get 1-2 year type of players, but only get them in small numbers. Don't spend entire recruiting classes getting a few JUCO's, a 1 and done, then 1 or 2 bad players.
Posted on 2/9/10 at 11:03 am to tiger20
quote:
Recover from the John Brady era?
You mean that disastrous decade that included only a Final four, Sweet 16, 3 SEC titles and 4 Western Division championships.
Guess if you repeat a lie often enough some people will believe it.
I wish you would just go away. Clearly he was talking about the vast inconsistency of the Brady era. You know, like having back to back losing seasons in conference after going to the final four? You know, like almost completely whiffing on recruiting the last few years to prepare for the future which left us with this team this year?
Posted on 2/9/10 at 11:05 am to Lacour
quote:
But Brady apologists?
They are the worst group of posters on td.com...and that's saying a lot.
It's truly amazing there's a few posters out there who miss him so much despite him clearly being a below average coach and one that belongs at nothing more than a run of the mill mid-major school.
Posted on 2/9/10 at 11:23 am to Tony Camaro
Due to the high attrition rates of the best college players(going pro one place or another) it is much more difficult to build consistant winners than it used to be. North Carolina this season is a prime example of how difficult it is to be consistant. One of the all-time great college basketball programs with two recent national titles, including last year, and they may well miss the dance this year. That being said, I do think TJ will have the Tigers contending for the SEC west every year beginning next year. That, for a football school like LSU , is realistic optimism. Maybe a top 25 finish every 2 or 3 yrs, occasional(like last season) SEC title, an NCAA win or two now and then. Those are realistic and attainable goals based on TJ's track record, the 2009 finish and the recruiting he has going for him now. Anything more than that(like the 2006 season)should be considered lagniappe IMO. This season is an abberation and the Tigers will get back to winning the majority of their games next year.
Posted on 2/9/10 at 11:27 am to Tony Camaro
To get off the Brady/Johnson bickering and back to the original post, I'd say the new facilities will help out. It shows that the school is determined to make the basketball team successful.
We need a good coach and recruiter. It is still early in his tenure, but it looks like we may have found that in Johnson. He needs to keep the Blue Chip in-state players and pick a few that fit his system from the outside. Cut the attrition to a minimum and make sure we have depth year in and year out.
Next would be the fans. We need to get the PMAC back to how it was when it was given the nickname, "The Deaf Dome." The abysmal attendance this year hurts the reputation of our program. High school players want to play in front of packed, boisterous crowds. Of course, having a good team and packed crowds go hand-in-hand; ie give us a good team, we'll give you support.
I think putting a few players in the NBA will also help TJ out with recruiting. This may require taking a few one-and-done type players, but it helps the program overall IMO. Look at Calipari. He consistently puts big names in the NBA and players are flocking to him and his program.
We need a good coach and recruiter. It is still early in his tenure, but it looks like we may have found that in Johnson. He needs to keep the Blue Chip in-state players and pick a few that fit his system from the outside. Cut the attrition to a minimum and make sure we have depth year in and year out.
Next would be the fans. We need to get the PMAC back to how it was when it was given the nickname, "The Deaf Dome." The abysmal attendance this year hurts the reputation of our program. High school players want to play in front of packed, boisterous crowds. Of course, having a good team and packed crowds go hand-in-hand; ie give us a good team, we'll give you support.
I think putting a few players in the NBA will also help TJ out with recruiting. This may require taking a few one-and-done type players, but it helps the program overall IMO. Look at Calipari. He consistently puts big names in the NBA and players are flocking to him and his program.
Posted on 2/9/10 at 11:30 am to thunderbird1100
Trent will have this program on the right track. IMO he is building a program where the one and done player will not be a blow to the entire program. T. Izzo of Michigan State has built that program to that level. And how many one and done players have he had? I see Trent building the same type program here, that is if another major conference team doesnt come swoop him away. Something we NEVER had to worry about with Brady.
Posted on 2/9/10 at 11:34 am to thunderbird1100
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This post was edited on 2/9/10 at 11:34 am
Posted on 2/9/10 at 11:36 am to thunderbird1100
You mean like the consistency of the last two years? You NEGATIGERS 
are the worst posters on the planet!
are the worst posters on the planet!
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