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What position do the class of 2010 "tweeners" end up playing?
Posted on 2/6/10 at 10:41 am
Posted on 2/6/10 at 10:41 am
Just curious where you guys think the coaches will place some of the tweeners from this class in comparison to where you think they best project for need/production. I'll start off with a few.
Ego Ferguson
Coaches play him at: SDE
I'd like to see him at: DT
I know one of the reasons he chose LSU was because he's been pledged a chance to play outside, but with his frame and strength, I think he would be best served inside. With Chavis' history of using small LBs, having top-notch DTs is necessary to keep those guys at the second level clean.
Eric Reid
Coaches play him at: WLB (eventually)
I'd like to see him at: SS
I think with his ability to play near the line, he'll project to be another converted safety-linebacker (ala Coleman and now Francois). I'd like to see him stay at the strong safety position opposite of Loston. Having big, rangy safeties in Chavis' scheme is really important in minimizing big plays (which plays right into his "bend but don't break" mentality). I know Miles said he reminds him of Chad Jones, but that doesn't change my prediction that he'll end up at OLB.
Spencer Ware
Coaches play him at: RB
I'd like to see him at: WLB
I know this is going to be my most controversial pick. After the USAAA, most people don't see Ware as a "tweener" anymore but as a true featureback. This pick has more to do with need than production. Ware could be a hell of a runningback, but with Ford, Calhoun, Gore, Hilliard (2011), and Hill (2011), every need at the RB position should be covered. Also at 5'11", 225 (with room to get to 235) and less than elite top-end speed, I'm not sure that Ware's ceiling isn't higher at a position other than RB.
Now for a few "tweeners" that I think will end up exactly where I'd like to see them.
Alfred Blue: SLB
J.C. Copeland: DT
Cameron Fordham: C
Sam Gibson: S
Justin Maclin: WDE
Tharold Simon: CB
Ronnie Vinson: CB
Ego Ferguson
Coaches play him at: SDE
I'd like to see him at: DT
I know one of the reasons he chose LSU was because he's been pledged a chance to play outside, but with his frame and strength, I think he would be best served inside. With Chavis' history of using small LBs, having top-notch DTs is necessary to keep those guys at the second level clean.
Eric Reid
Coaches play him at: WLB (eventually)
I'd like to see him at: SS
I think with his ability to play near the line, he'll project to be another converted safety-linebacker (ala Coleman and now Francois). I'd like to see him stay at the strong safety position opposite of Loston. Having big, rangy safeties in Chavis' scheme is really important in minimizing big plays (which plays right into his "bend but don't break" mentality). I know Miles said he reminds him of Chad Jones, but that doesn't change my prediction that he'll end up at OLB.
Spencer Ware
Coaches play him at: RB
I'd like to see him at: WLB
I know this is going to be my most controversial pick. After the USAAA, most people don't see Ware as a "tweener" anymore but as a true featureback. This pick has more to do with need than production. Ware could be a hell of a runningback, but with Ford, Calhoun, Gore, Hilliard (2011), and Hill (2011), every need at the RB position should be covered. Also at 5'11", 225 (with room to get to 235) and less than elite top-end speed, I'm not sure that Ware's ceiling isn't higher at a position other than RB.
Now for a few "tweeners" that I think will end up exactly where I'd like to see them.
Alfred Blue: SLB
J.C. Copeland: DT
Cameron Fordham: C
Sam Gibson: S
Justin Maclin: WDE
Tharold Simon: CB
Ronnie Vinson: CB
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Posted on 2/6/10 at 10:53 am to Stagg8
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Eric Reid
I don't think he's moved from SS. We are going to be thin there, and I think he stays at 205.
We have plenty of experimental LBs that will pan out. We would want to add three or four LBs in 2011.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:28 am to dstone12
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We would want to add three or four LBs in 2011
The 2011 LB in-state class is extremely weak, and there aren't any out-of-staters at this point that would be considered LSU leans.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 11:58 am to Stagg8
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Now for a few "tweeners" that I think will end up exactly where I'd like to see them.
What about Jacobs growing into a DE or possibly into an OT or DT? I know he's not a true "tweener" at this point, but I think he will grow to at least 265, possibly more.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:04 pm to Ace Midnight
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What about Jacobs growing into a DE or possibly into an OT or DT?
I think the popular thought is that he'll play OT, but I don't really have a good enough feel for the guy to project. Honestly, if I had to say, I would lean toward him staying at the TE position in a blocking capacity ala Mitch Joseph.
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:13 pm to Stagg8
Ware is too short to play LB, no way does he move there. RB is his best bet, he proved it at the AAA game when he was the best RB all week. He's a natural runner.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:17 pm to Stagg8
My thoughts on your post:
Ego Ferguson: No offense but I can't stand the way we've handled our DL lately. I'm sick and tired of moving DEs inside. We needa quit depleting our DE talent. Ferguson has the speed and athleticism to be a freak on the edge. People remember Dorsey because he's the most recent but Hill/Spears were just as dominant on the edges if not moreso. I do agree that we need to improve our DT talent but not by taking from the DEs.
Eric Reid: I see no way he plays WLB. He'll be a SS or the SAM position that Coleman played this year. He's simply too good in coverage to have him at WLB IMO. I'd love to see him at SS personally.
Spencer Ware: I couldn't disagree here more. I'm more of a bird in the hand kind of guy so including people like Hilliard/Hill in the discussion is laughable to me. It's the same reason I said passing on Michaels last year because "we had Seastrunk" was assinine. Also, to even put Calhoun and Gore in the discussion with Ware is an insult to his abilities. Even moreso, I think it's somewhat crazy to even include Ford (never been a huge Ford fan); that's how good Ware is.
Alfred Blue: SLB
J.C. Coleman: DT (not a tweener, he's here for sure)
Cameron Fordham: Don't really care
Sam Gibson: S although I've heard he doesn't exactly adore contact
Justin Maclin: WDE
Tharold Simon: WR!!!!!!!!!!!! The fact that we're thinking of putting him at CB makes me nauseous
Ronnie Vinson: CB
Ego Ferguson: No offense but I can't stand the way we've handled our DL lately. I'm sick and tired of moving DEs inside. We needa quit depleting our DE talent. Ferguson has the speed and athleticism to be a freak on the edge. People remember Dorsey because he's the most recent but Hill/Spears were just as dominant on the edges if not moreso. I do agree that we need to improve our DT talent but not by taking from the DEs.
Eric Reid: I see no way he plays WLB. He'll be a SS or the SAM position that Coleman played this year. He's simply too good in coverage to have him at WLB IMO. I'd love to see him at SS personally.
Spencer Ware: I couldn't disagree here more. I'm more of a bird in the hand kind of guy so including people like Hilliard/Hill in the discussion is laughable to me. It's the same reason I said passing on Michaels last year because "we had Seastrunk" was assinine. Also, to even put Calhoun and Gore in the discussion with Ware is an insult to his abilities. Even moreso, I think it's somewhat crazy to even include Ford (never been a huge Ford fan); that's how good Ware is.
Alfred Blue: SLB
J.C. Coleman: DT (not a tweener, he's here for sure)
Cameron Fordham: Don't really care
Sam Gibson: S although I've heard he doesn't exactly adore contact
Justin Maclin: WDE
Tharold Simon: WR!!!!!!!!!!!! The fact that we're thinking of putting him at CB makes me nauseous
Ronnie Vinson: CB
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:24 pm to FootballNostradamus
agree with most of your thought except I think Vinson plays safety.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:27 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Ferguson has the speed and athleticism to be a freak on the edge
I personally think Ferguson could be an All-SEC talent at SDE or DT. But his speed has been overstated. I don't think there's any way he's in the 4.6 - 4.7 range that people throw around.
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Spencer Ware: I couldn't disagree here more.
I can't argue with you and Books here... like I said, I expected that to be a controversial pick. But I'm just wary of putting so much stock into an All-Star week where he had a solid game but was in no way game-breaking. He doesn't have top-end speed. To me he's like a geared-down Trent Richardson. I would love to have to eat my words though, and I still think he will be a hell of a runningback even minus the A+ speed. quote:
I'm more of a bird in the hand kind of guy so including people like Hilliard/Hill in the discussion is laughable to me. It's the same reason I said passing on Michaels last year because "we had Seastrunk" was assinine.
Seastrunk was never committed to LSU unlike Hilliard and Hill.
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Tharold Simon: WR!!!!!!!!!!!! The fact that we're thinking of putting him at CB makes me nauseous
If you have a 6'4" kid who's as good at CB as at WR, you have to keep him at DB. It's a much tougher position to coach and to find talent.
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:31 pm to Stagg8
quote:he dominated big time football in OH for 4 years, his resume is much much more than one week. He also had the longest run from scrimmage by far in that game. And again, 5'9 is too short to play LB
But I'm just wary of putting so much stock into an All-Star week where he had a solid game but was in no way game-breaking. He doesn't have top-end speed.
This post was edited on 2/6/10 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:36 pm to Books
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he dominated big time football in OH for 4 years, his resume is much much more than one week. He also had the longest run from scrimmage by far in that game. And again, 5'9 is too short to play LB
Agreed, I got a buddy from Cincinnati and he's been talking about this kid for years. This isn't someone who just had one good week. Also, no one would ever say Charles Scott or even Mark Ingram have elite speed. They enough though.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:38 pm to Stagg8
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If you have a 6'4" kid who's as good at CB as at WR, you have to keep him at DB
I just don't know if it is physically possible for him to be a more dominant DB than WR.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:40 pm to Books
quote:is that same person is a legit 220 with <= 4.6 speed, i see no reason why he cannot play college football
And again, 5'9 is too short to play LB
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:42 pm to FootballNostradamus
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Also, no one would ever say Charles Scott or even Mark Ingram have elite speed.
Mark Ingram is faster than Ware... who is faster than Chuck Scott.
Ingram is going to be a mid-4.4 guy come Combine time. Scott is likely a 4.75-4.85 guy.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:42 pm to Books
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5'9 is too short to play LB
Didn't Ware measure in at 5'11"?
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:46 pm to Rouge
quote:ok
is that same person is a legit 220 with <= 4.6 speed, i see no reason why he cannot play college football
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:50 pm to Stagg8
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Mark Ingram is faster than Ware... who is faster than Chuck Scott.
Ingram is going to be a mid-4.4 guy come Combine time. Scott is likely a 4.75-4.85 guy.
No way is Ingram in the 4.4 range. Ware is faster than Scott who was a stud at LSU so I'm far from concerned about his speed.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:50 pm to Stagg8
quote:Scott was listed as 5'11 on LSU's site which is pretty accurate, no way is Ware the same height as CS
Didn't Ware measure in at 5'11"?
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:51 pm to STEVED00
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I just don't know if it is physically possible for him to be a more dominant DB than WR.
It's not. People said the same thing about Clayton when he first came out because of how physical he was. Thank god our coaches then were smart enough to play him at WR; I can only hope our current coaches make the same correct choice with Simon.
Posted on 2/6/10 at 12:54 pm to FootballNostradamus
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No way is Ingram in the 4.4 range.
Okay... we'll have to agree to disagree until he runs at the Combine or Pro Day... but he reported a 4.45 coming out of high school (not sure if that's a combine number or what he says) and NFL Draft Scout has him at a 4.48 (which may very well be a number he posted while at UA).
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Ware is faster than Scott who was a stud at LSU so I'm far from concerned about his speed.
Ware is also not a 245 pound battering ram. Hell, Joe Addai is faster than Craig Heyward was. I understand that's taking a very liberal usage of hyperbole, but you know.
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