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rant myths
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:48 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:48 am
the best statement i've heard recently is that the rant is damaged beyond repair.
ex a: miles' success is because of talent. as usual, this is reductio ad absurdum. each week, the opponent's starters are basically equal to lsu's starters (and don't start in with the recruiting rankings. that is an incredibly subjective and inexact measurement). since that's the case, miles HAS TO BE doing something right other than living off someone else's recruiting or being good at recruiting himself. if you admit the sec is the best conference, then the opposition is going to be roughly equal to lsu. according to rantards, miles gets "outcoached". how is it possible he continues to keep lsu in the top 3rd of the sec?
ex b: crowton sucks. everybody relax. his offense has had one really bad season. give him a chance to improve the situation. and don't bring up the thread that shows his offenses get worse. one of those examples is byu where he was head coach, not coordinator. big difference. the other couple of examples were based on two year stints which hardly constitutes as proof that crowton's offenses regress.
ex c: miles can't manage a game/gets outcoached. this statement is just plain ignorant. tons of coaching decisions are made every game. no coach is perfect. people continually blame miles for "mistakes" but completely ignore mistakes made by other coaches in games. and btw, those other coaches always end up ranked higher than miles yet miles continues to have more success. how is that possible? furthermore, no in game decision or gameplan loses a game for a team. football is a complex sport with many variables; execution, officiating, weather/environment, injuries, scheduling, team chemistry and plain old, blind luck. besides, it's not all about the head coach. it's about the entire staff and lsu has a good one. that's why lsu continues to have success.
ex d: miles isn't earning his paycheck. mistakes like in the ole miss game are unacceptable for his paygrade. miles isn't SOLELY payed to win games. miles is paid to do ALOT of things, among which winning games is one of them. lsu has not been in trouble with the ncaa (don't start in with the current situation. he fired the person responsible). he recruits well. he has an acceptable graduation rate. he represents the university adequately. he is adept at hiring assistants. if you want to think that winning games tops the list for his evaluation then, you should be happy he is keeping lsu in the top 3rd of the toughest conference in america.
i never thought any rant myth would surpass the offense playcalling in the auburn '06 game but, it's actually happened.
edited for people who take things out of context.
ex a: miles' success is because of talent. as usual, this is reductio ad absurdum. each week, the opponent's starters are basically equal to lsu's starters (and don't start in with the recruiting rankings. that is an incredibly subjective and inexact measurement). since that's the case, miles HAS TO BE doing something right other than living off someone else's recruiting or being good at recruiting himself. if you admit the sec is the best conference, then the opposition is going to be roughly equal to lsu. according to rantards, miles gets "outcoached". how is it possible he continues to keep lsu in the top 3rd of the sec?
ex b: crowton sucks. everybody relax. his offense has had one really bad season. give him a chance to improve the situation. and don't bring up the thread that shows his offenses get worse. one of those examples is byu where he was head coach, not coordinator. big difference. the other couple of examples were based on two year stints which hardly constitutes as proof that crowton's offenses regress.
ex c: miles can't manage a game/gets outcoached. this statement is just plain ignorant. tons of coaching decisions are made every game. no coach is perfect. people continually blame miles for "mistakes" but completely ignore mistakes made by other coaches in games. and btw, those other coaches always end up ranked higher than miles yet miles continues to have more success. how is that possible? furthermore, no in game decision or gameplan loses a game for a team. football is a complex sport with many variables; execution, officiating, weather/environment, injuries, scheduling, team chemistry and plain old, blind luck. besides, it's not all about the head coach. it's about the entire staff and lsu has a good one. that's why lsu continues to have success.
ex d: miles isn't earning his paycheck. mistakes like in the ole miss game are unacceptable for his paygrade. miles isn't SOLELY payed to win games. miles is paid to do ALOT of things, among which winning games is one of them. lsu has not been in trouble with the ncaa (don't start in with the current situation. he fired the person responsible). he recruits well. he has an acceptable graduation rate. he represents the university adequately. he is adept at hiring assistants. if you want to think that winning games tops the list for his evaluation then, you should be happy he is keeping lsu in the top 3rd of the toughest conference in america.
i never thought any rant myth would surpass the offense playcalling in the auburn '06 game but, it's actually happened.
edited for people who take things out of context.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 10:12 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:51 am to bfniii
Your parenthetical remarks say alot about the weakness of your argument (maybe you even secretly recognize that weakness).
I'm not seeing the reductio ad absurdum part.
I'm not seeing the reductio ad absurdum part.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:52 am to Bayou Sam
I always love it whenever people tell me not to use counter arguments because they can't rebut them.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:54 am to LSUtigahs28
great response. you obviously went to alot of trouble to break down the ideas.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:55 am to Bayou Sam
quote:no, they actually make a point that addresses the idea. what part did you not understand/agree with?
Your parenthetical remarks say alot about the weakness of your argument
quote:people are trying to reduce the game down to one factor in order to blame someone, e.g. crowton sucks. there's alot more to a game than just drawing up plays.
I'm not seeing the reductio ad absurdum part.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:56 am to LSUtigahs28
quote:i already rebutted the idea. that was the point in the parentheses
I always love it whenever people tell me not to use counter arguments because they can't rebut them.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:57 am to bfniii
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i already rebutted the idea. that was the point in the parentheses
Oh wait you're serious
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:58 am to bfniii
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miles isn't payed to win games
Might be the single dumbest statement on this site.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:59 am to LSUtigahs28
quote:when you're ready to actually discuss the points, let us know. until then, keep rantarding
Oh wait you're serious
Posted on 12/16/09 at 9:59 am to JustSmokin
quote:especially when taken out of context
Might be the single dumbest statement on this site.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:00 am to bfniii
This post is a joke, but I dont feel like disputing pretty much every other sentence, because I dont feel like arguing with you and all of Miles' crusaders but:
STFU- why was he given a raise after WINNING the NC?
So we pay coaches based on thier ability to keep us out of trouble with the NCAA?
If anyone wants to give Miles credit for making good hires, then give him credit for hiring DJ McCarthy too.
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miles isn't payed to win games
STFU- why was he given a raise after WINNING the NC?
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lsu has not been in trouble with the ncaa (don't start in with the current situation. he fired the person responsible).
So we pay coaches based on thier ability to keep us out of trouble with the NCAA?
If anyone wants to give Miles credit for making good hires, then give him credit for hiring DJ McCarthy too.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:02 am to bfniii
I agree with 3 of 4, but Crowton still sucks. Yes, even if he stays, the offense will improve, but it won't improve enough to warrant his staying in my opinion.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:03 am to bfniii
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especially when taken out of context
It wasn't. It's just a bonehead thought by you.
Everything Miles does is geared to winning games. Nothing else matters. He can run the cleanest program, graduate every player and still get fired for not winning enough games.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:08 am to LsuTool
quote:this is the typical attitude of people who can't support their position but continue to believe the points in bold. hence, the reason for the op.
This post is a joke, but I dont feel like disputing pretty much every other sentence, because I dont feel like arguing with you and all of Miles' crusaders but
quote:people, if you read the entire statement, it's clear that i said miles is paid for MULTIPLE things, one of which is winning. thus, the statement that in game mistakes are not acceptable is a flawed idea. the people who pay his salary judge him on the big picture. rantards have no idea what the big picture is. he was given a raise because the people who did so believe that his success on the field was indicative of his overall success as a coach. but let's continue to blow any mistakes out of proportion
why was he given a raise after WINNING the NC?
quote:absolutely. it's implied. that's why coaches hire compliance officers.
So we pay coaches based on thier ability to keep us out of trouble with the NCAA?
quote:his successes have far outweighed any failures.
If anyone wants to give Miles credit for making good hires, then give him credit for hiring DJ McCarthy too.
This post was edited on 12/16/09 at 10:13 am
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:08 am to Doc Fenton
quote:i'm not disagreeing with you. you might be right in the end. all i'm saying is that it's premature to say he sucks.
Yes, even if he stays, the offense will improve, but it won't improve enough to warrant his staying in my opinion
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:11 am to JustSmokin
quote:bonehead is when you take something out of context. the point i'm making is obvious. rantards lack perspective. i'm sorry you can't understand the point.
It wasn't. It's just a bonehead thought by you
however, since the statement is bothering you, i'll amend it to say that miles isn't solely paid to win games.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:14 am to bfniii
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if you admit the sec is the best conference, then the opposition is going to be roughly equal to lsu.
hell no
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his offense has had one really bad season
it wasn't exactly good last year
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one of those examples is byu where he was head coach, not coordinator. big difference
he ran the offense at byu
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lsu has not been in trouble with the ncaa (don't start in with the current situation. he fired the person responsible).
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he recruits well.
you disagree with this. and i quote:
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this is reductio ad absurdum. each week, the opponent's starters are basically equal to lsu's starters
part 2:
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and don't start in with the recruiting rankings. that is an incredibly subjective and inexact measurement
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he represents the university adequately.
like a moron? he's a national joke, literally
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he is adept at hiring assistants.
earl lane
mallory
peveto
crowton
stud
all fails. big fails
Posted on 12/16/09 at 10:15 am to bfniii
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the point i'm making is obvious.
And it's a wrong point. His salary is directly tied to winning and winning only. He wasn't given a massive increase after winning the NC for any other reason.
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