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The real problem with our offense is....
Posted on 10/4/09 at 2:44 am
Posted on 10/4/09 at 2:44 am
is the offensive line. Jordan has been inconsistent, but some of this has to be attributed to lack of consistent running game putting him in 3rd and long and sure passing situations. We couldn't convert a 3rd and less than a yard and we couldn't convert a 4 and inches in Georgia territory today. These situations are where you can judge your o-line. This year's o-line is one of poorest Miles has had since he's been here at LSU. The o-line was supposed to be a strength and it clearly is not.
In the 0-lines defense today, Hitt and someone else had to come out due to illness. Still though, 4th and inches and you can't convert? That's on the o-line. NOT the qb.
Our line can not blow anyone off the ball. The one thing would we could do well last year was run between the tackles. This year? Nothing. The defense is stacking the line against us, but they did that last year too. We still had success running the football last year. Most of the successful running plays we've had this year have been when we have gotten to the perimeter. Between the tackles? Not so much. That's Charles Scott's bread and butter; between the tackles. Charles can get to the perimeter, but he is much better going north and south. Charles has still put up serviceable numbers, but certainly not like last year. That goes to offensive line.
One thing that raised my eyebrows this year reading the previews before the season was that this offensive line was experienced and the Les thought it would be one of his best since he's been at LSU. The other thing that was mentioned was this one of the lightest lines Les has had. It was suggested they would be more mobile. The line may be more mobile, but they can't blow anyone off the ball. Instead of 330 pounder like big Herman, you are running behind a 290 pounder. This has made a difference. Numbers don't lie.
Jordan didn't play great today, but if he had a consistent running game aiding him it would sure would take some of the pressure off him having to make plays for the offense to move the ball consistently. Some of you will blame Jordan for the offensive inconsistency. Some of you will blame Crowton or Miles. You are not necessarily wrong and the blame can be spread around.
However, there is the old axiom that football games are won in the trenches, and I believe that is LSU's biggest problem when it comes to offensive consistency. Unfortunately, experience and talent can't be fixed over night when it comes to the 0-line which means LSU's offense is going to continue to be hit and miss the rest of the season. We won't win any style points this year, I just hope we are able to score more points than our opponent. When it is all said and done, that is the bottom line.
In the 0-lines defense today, Hitt and someone else had to come out due to illness. Still though, 4th and inches and you can't convert? That's on the o-line. NOT the qb.
Our line can not blow anyone off the ball. The one thing would we could do well last year was run between the tackles. This year? Nothing. The defense is stacking the line against us, but they did that last year too. We still had success running the football last year. Most of the successful running plays we've had this year have been when we have gotten to the perimeter. Between the tackles? Not so much. That's Charles Scott's bread and butter; between the tackles. Charles can get to the perimeter, but he is much better going north and south. Charles has still put up serviceable numbers, but certainly not like last year. That goes to offensive line.
One thing that raised my eyebrows this year reading the previews before the season was that this offensive line was experienced and the Les thought it would be one of his best since he's been at LSU. The other thing that was mentioned was this one of the lightest lines Les has had. It was suggested they would be more mobile. The line may be more mobile, but they can't blow anyone off the ball. Instead of 330 pounder like big Herman, you are running behind a 290 pounder. This has made a difference. Numbers don't lie.
Jordan didn't play great today, but if he had a consistent running game aiding him it would sure would take some of the pressure off him having to make plays for the offense to move the ball consistently. Some of you will blame Jordan for the offensive inconsistency. Some of you will blame Crowton or Miles. You are not necessarily wrong and the blame can be spread around.
However, there is the old axiom that football games are won in the trenches, and I believe that is LSU's biggest problem when it comes to offensive consistency. Unfortunately, experience and talent can't be fixed over night when it comes to the 0-line which means LSU's offense is going to continue to be hit and miss the rest of the season. We won't win any style points this year, I just hope we are able to score more points than our opponent. When it is all said and done, that is the bottom line.
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Posted on 10/4/09 at 2:47 am to West MonroeTiger fan
it makes me feel alot better about the o line that they got the job done to get the W with two guys going down
Posted on 10/4/09 at 2:52 am to West MonroeTiger fan
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Our line can not blow anyone off the ball.
That is exactly why LSU should have kicked the field goal on 4th and inches rather than going for the first down, especially when playing on the road. Knowing LSU cannot blow anyone off the ball, why would you go for the first down and not take the sure field goal? You don't get credit on the scoreboard for effort. You have to play smart.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 3:01 am to Leonides
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That is exactly why LSU should have kicked the field goal on 4th and inches rather than going for the first down, especially when playing on the road. Knowing LSU cannot blow anyone off the ball, why would you go for the first down and not take the sure field goal? You don't get credit on the scoreboard for effort. You have to play smart.
I dont object to the call as much as the formation used. Sure, a FG would have been the safe bet. But once you decide to go for it, why the hell would you choose that formation knowing that you havent exactly been blowing teams off the line all year? The defense didnt have to take into account anything BUT the QB sneak.
For me the bone head call was the formation.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 3:03 am to McChowder
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I dont object to the call as much as the formation used. Sure, a FG would have been the safe bet. But once you decide to go for it, why the hell would you choose that formation knowing that you havent exactly been blowing teams off the line all year? The defense didnt have to take into account anything BUT the QB sneak.
For me the bone head call was the formation.
I completely agree. And I think almost everybody critical of not kicking the field go is doing so in hindsight, knowing we didn't get it. I doubt they were all up in arms at the time.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 3:16 am to Hot Carl
McChowder, Hot Carl and others are right. They got JJ under center with Scott a few feet behind him to do the old "Bush-Push." Gee, wonder which play this is gonna be...
Posted on 10/4/09 at 3:20 am to West MonroeTiger fan
We need to be happy with this win because our best football is yet to come. Its all about improving every week. Geaux tigers
Posted on 10/4/09 at 3:22 am to cardee2003
Should fans be worried the fact that each week they continue to say something similar to this:
What if this is the team for the season?
What if this is the best you will see?
5 games the offense has not changed much, the defense actually did get better though.
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We need to be happy with this win because our best football is yet to come. Its all about improving every week. Geaux tigers
What if this is the team for the season?
What if this is the best you will see?
5 games the offense has not changed much, the defense actually did get better though.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 3:23 am to West MonroeTiger fan
JJ just has to see the field and score in the red zone. Should have been 24-0 at half. Great job by the defense 
Posted on 10/4/09 at 3:24 am to Hot Carl
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I completely agree. And I think almost everybody critical of not kicking the field go is doing so in hindsight, knowing we didn't get it. I doubt they were all up in arms at the time.
I'll be the first to admit I was wanting them to go for it at the time. We were dominating them statistically on both sides of the ball. We had the pigskin in the redzone 3 times but could only put 6 on the board.
Like our huge field position advantage (at that point we averaged having the ball on our 38), I knew things were going to change (part of the natural even flow of a football game). I knew we needed to break the cherry on that endzone and have the scoreboard better reflect how we were playing.....or the worm was more than likely going to turn.
It all worked out in the end regarless of that bone headed formation.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 3:30 am to McChowder
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Like our huge field position advantage (at that point we averaged having the ball on our 38), I knew things were going to change (part of the natural even flow of a football game). I knew we needed to break the cherry on that endzone and have the scoreboard better reflect how we were playing.....or the worm was more than likely going to turn.
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking at the time. Georgia was still Georgia and would eventually score some points. I felt we really needed to take advantage of our dominance of the 1st half. 6-0 scared the shite out of me. I told a few of my friends that I almost would have rather been outplayed and down by 7 than dominate and only be up by 6. 'Cause the tide was going to eventually turn.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 3:32 am to McChowder
jj holds the ball too long and plays like hes scared to make a mistake,but he will be one of the greats before he is done here.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 5:29 am to West MonroeTiger fan
Not totally the O-line/. JJ tends to be indecisive, holds on to the ball too long. He needs to spend some time watching Drew Bress.
The kid has a ton of talent and hopefully experience will help him.
On another note they need to quit running the option unless RS is running it it.
The kid has a ton of talent and hopefully experience will help him.
On another note they need to quit running the option unless RS is running it it.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 5:36 am to West MonroeTiger fan
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The real problem with our offense is....
Crowton and Studruwa. Both need to be replaced.
Studruwa has never seemed to be able to coach up the OL in his entire tenure.Crwton's play calling is atrocious. Here we are at game 5 and he still insists on having Jefferson run the option when it is obvious he can't do it.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 5:58 am to Martavius
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Studruwa has never seemed to be able to coach up the OL in his entire tenure.Crwton's play calling is atrocious. Here we are at game 5 and he still insists on having Jefferson run the option when it is obvious he can't do it.
I think you are going over board. Crowton called a great game the first half. Most of our plays were against tendancies, play action on first down, more plays to the edge to soften up the middle, middle screen or two to slow the rush, option to the wide side of the field, Shep faking the handoff to TH sweeping to the outside. We got into the redzone with ease and dominated the stats the first half. Just couldnt put it into the endzone........and that wasnt Crowtons fault.
WTF is up with people giving up on JJ running the option? Half of those plays, the defense was in GREAT position. Sure, JJ needs to make his man commit before pitching, but if you think that making such an "easy fix habit" is beyond JJ's capability..........then he has no buisness being a D1 QB in the first place. OF COURSE this is something JJ will work on and get better....and there are strategical reasons why having him run it might be prefered.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 6:11 am to McChowder
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We got into the redzone with ease and dominated the stats the first half. Just couldnt put it into the endzone........and that wasnt Crowtons fault.
Yes it was option on 3rd and 1. Awful call. Just one of many terrble calls by him on short yardage situations this season.
And read the article on espn.con about the TD run by scot at the end of the game. Crowton wanted to throw a pass and play fora 50 yard FG. Jordan had to point out to him that the run to the left side was working.
They both need to go.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 6:47 am to tigerswin03
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jj holds the ball too long and plays like hes scared to make a mistake,but he will be one of the greats before he is done here.
I dont think JJ is "scared" to make mistakes. Early on I think he was dead set in being the anti-Lee turnover machine.
Now I just think he takes to long on his reads. I dont think its fear of making the mistake. He just wants to be ABSOLUTELY sure rather than just sure. JJ has trust issues with what he is seeing sometimes. Like what was said back during the ULL game, if the guy isnt WIDE OPEN he has to think and wait a sec or go to the next read.
He has to do a better job at anticipating where the WR and defenders are going to be and throw it to the open spot, not the WR.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 6:50 am to Martavius
In the fourth quarter, JJ threw short, quick passes to Toliver and Dickson, both of which worked well. I recall a third short pass to Dickson that RD dropped. Seems to me I was seeing the antidote to some of our o-line woes, is it possible we'll see more of these passes in the future?
Posted on 10/4/09 at 6:52 am to McChowder
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WTF is up with people giving up on JJ running the option?
He can't run the option. He takes it too deep into the backfield and hesitates to run. The distance with the RB is all messed up.
It's not effective.
Posted on 10/4/09 at 6:53 am to Tigerwaffe
at least JJ is going through his progressions and not throwing the ball to the other team.. georgia's defense was probably the fastest and most talented D he has faced so far, and i think he managed the offense well until we got into the red zone
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