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Once again another SABAN-MILES discussion (STATS)
Posted on 9/18/09 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 9/18/09 at 9:03 pm
Ok, I was interested to see how the two coaches fared during their tenures as the coach for LSU. Granted the 2009 season is not complete but I compared them none-the-less:
OVERALL RECORD
SABAN 48-16 (0.7500) MILES 44-11 (.8000)
CHAMPIONSHIPS
SABAN - 2 SEC Championships, 1 BCS Championship
MILES - 1 SEC Championship, 1 BCS Championship
TEN OR MORE WIN SEASONS
SABAN: 2
MILES: 3
BOWLS
SABAN: Peach, Sugar, Cotton, BCS, CAP ONE. 3-2
MILES: Peach, Sugar, BCS, Peach. 4-0
CONFERENCE RECORD
SABAN: 30-12
MILES: 24-11
OOC RECORD
SABAN: 17-4
MILES: 20-0
RECORD AGAINST BCS TEAMS
SABAN: 5-3 IOWA(L), OSU(W), OU(W), Arizona(W), TEXAS(L), ILL(W). GA TECH(W), VA TECH(L)
MILES: 8-0 GA TECH(W), OSU(W), VA TECH(W),ND(W),Arizona(W), Miami(W), Arizona St(W),Washington(W)
POLLS(using Coaches Poll)
SABAN:
2000 - unranked
2001 - 8
2002 - unranked
2003 - 1
2004 - 16
MILES:
2005 - 5
2006 - 3
2007 - 1
2008 - unranked
2009 - 7
Stand By for PART II
OVERALL RECORD
SABAN 48-16 (0.7500) MILES 44-11 (.8000)
CHAMPIONSHIPS
SABAN - 2 SEC Championships, 1 BCS Championship
MILES - 1 SEC Championship, 1 BCS Championship
TEN OR MORE WIN SEASONS
SABAN: 2
MILES: 3
BOWLS
SABAN: Peach, Sugar, Cotton, BCS, CAP ONE. 3-2
MILES: Peach, Sugar, BCS, Peach. 4-0
CONFERENCE RECORD
SABAN: 30-12
MILES: 24-11
OOC RECORD
SABAN: 17-4
MILES: 20-0
RECORD AGAINST BCS TEAMS
SABAN: 5-3 IOWA(L), OSU(W), OU(W), Arizona(W), TEXAS(L), ILL(W). GA TECH(W), VA TECH(L)
MILES: 8-0 GA TECH(W), OSU(W), VA TECH(W),ND(W),Arizona(W), Miami(W), Arizona St(W),Washington(W)
POLLS(using Coaches Poll)
SABAN:
2000 - unranked
2001 - 8
2002 - unranked
2003 - 1
2004 - 16
MILES:
2005 - 5
2006 - 3
2007 - 1
2008 - unranked
2009 - 7
Stand By for PART II
This post was edited on 9/18/09 at 9:31 pm
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Posted on 9/18/09 at 9:06 pm to BENGAL44
Thanks but who is $abun
Posted on 9/18/09 at 9:15 pm to BENGAL44
RECORD AGAINST RANKED TEAMS
(Rankings in parentheses at end of Season)
SABAN:
2001 3-2
Auburn(20) L
TENN(25) W
UF(11) L
Miss ST(22) W
GA TECH(19) W
2001 2-2
UT(4) L
UF(11) L
UT(4) W
ILL(12) W
2002 1-3
VA Tech(14) L
UF(24) W
Auburn(16) L
Texas(7) L
2003 3-1
UGA(6) W
UF(25) L
UGA(6) W
OU(3) W
2004 1-3
Auburn(2) L
UGA(6) L
UF(25) W
Iowa(8) L
Overall: 11-11
MILES
2005 4-1
UF(16) W
Auburn(14) W
Alabama(8) W
UGA(10) L
Miami(16) W
2006 3-2
Auburn(8) L
UF(1) L
Tenn(23) W
Arky(16) W
ND(19) W
2007 5-0
VA Tech(11) W
UF(16) W
Auburn(14) W
Tenn(12) W
OSU(4) W
2008 1-4
UF(1) L
UGA(10) L
Alabama(6) L
Ole Miss(15) L
Ga Tech (22) W
Overall 13-7
So, Who in your opinion has had the most success/better tenure at LSU?
(Rankings in parentheses at end of Season)
SABAN:
2001 3-2
Auburn(20) L
TENN(25) W
UF(11) L
Miss ST(22) W
GA TECH(19) W
2001 2-2
UT(4) L
UF(11) L
UT(4) W
ILL(12) W
2002 1-3
VA Tech(14) L
UF(24) W
Auburn(16) L
Texas(7) L
2003 3-1
UGA(6) W
UF(25) L
UGA(6) W
OU(3) W
2004 1-3
Auburn(2) L
UGA(6) L
UF(25) W
Iowa(8) L
Overall: 11-11
MILES
2005 4-1
UF(16) W
Auburn(14) W
Alabama(8) W
UGA(10) L
Miami(16) W
2006 3-2
Auburn(8) L
UF(1) L
Tenn(23) W
Arky(16) W
ND(19) W
2007 5-0
VA Tech(11) W
UF(16) W
Auburn(14) W
Tenn(12) W
OSU(4) W
2008 1-4
UF(1) L
UGA(10) L
Alabama(6) L
Ole Miss(15) L
Ga Tech (22) W
Overall 13-7
So, Who in your opinion has had the most success/better tenure at LSU?
This post was edited on 9/18/09 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 9/18/09 at 9:57 pm to BENGAL44
Dude Miles did it all with Saban's players, duh. 
Posted on 9/18/09 at 9:59 pm to BENGAL44
If this would have back during the summer it may have been able to conjure up 6 or 7 pages but not now to much of this Saban/Miles.
Actuality has nothing to do with it it is all perception and nothing else. With Saban it is about intensity and with miles continuity. Miles has done more with what he had than what Saban did with what he had. End of story. Enough is enough.
Actuality has nothing to do with it it is all perception and nothing else. With Saban it is about intensity and with miles continuity. Miles has done more with what he had than what Saban did with what he had. End of story. Enough is enough.
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:06 pm to CaseyMc2
Miles 4 Life
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:27 pm to alange
The argument is though that Saban far exceeds Miles in every aspect of coaching. why then do his results not show it? I mean Miles has done better in OOC games; better in the polls; better in Bowl games; better against BCS conference opponents; never lost to a mid major; better against ranked teams; all this while arguably not having as good recruiting classes as Saban.
I want to know what made Saban so great? Yes, yes I know, he took LSU out of the dark years, but I prefer to deal with facts not perceptions. Even Dinardo was undefeated in Bowl games.
What gives??
I want to know what made Saban so great? Yes, yes I know, he took LSU out of the dark years, but I prefer to deal with facts not perceptions. Even Dinardo was undefeated in Bowl games.
What gives??
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:32 pm to BENGAL44
The arguement that one coach did it with another coach's players is ridiculous...Saban did it with Dinardo's....Meyer did it with zook's...Saban did it last year with Shulas...Nutt did it with Ed O's...so go ahead and chunk that logic
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:32 pm to BENGAL44
Not trying to be a dick...but this is dumb and has gotten old
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:34 pm to Walt OReilly
agreed
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:40 pm to BENGAL44
Look, these comparisons of W-L stats for Saban vs Miles are silly. Saban did a great job at LSU. The most important stat in comparison of Miles and Saban is the number of other job offers sought and entertained during their respective tenures. Miles is happy to be at LSU. Saban was itching to go pro from 2003 on.
That, in the final analysis, is the stat that matters.
That, in the final analysis, is the stat that matters.
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:42 pm to ItsThatDude12
Maybe it is dumb, but why can't anyone support their argument with a factual response? Is it because there isn't one?
I'm just playing Devil's advocate here. Someone illustrate that Saban is better than Miles through facts, not because he "shouts" more on the sideline or some bullshite thing like that.
I've been on here long enough and read enough posts that provide half-arse arguments to why he was soooo much better.
I backed my argument with facts. Miles has done better during his tenure than Saban did during his.
Prove me wrong!!
anyone???????
I'm just playing Devil's advocate here. Someone illustrate that Saban is better than Miles through facts, not because he "shouts" more on the sideline or some bullshite thing like that.
I've been on here long enough and read enough posts that provide half-arse arguments to why he was soooo much better.
I backed my argument with facts. Miles has done better during his tenure than Saban did during his.
Prove me wrong!!
anyone???????
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:45 pm to BENGAL44
let this crap go. its lsu fans like you playing "devils advocate" that keep this arguement alive. its 5 years old already
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:45 pm to ItsThatDude12
itsthatdude12 , that has to be one of the BEST post i've seen on here in a while 
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:46 pm to NC_Tigah
Biggest issue I have with these threads is the program was in 2 different places for each coach.
With Saban we were coming off 2 losing seasons and a Indy bowl team. Prior to Les we were coming off 3 winning seasons with a national championship.
To compare the numbers to me is silly as the talent level was not equal when they began. Saban did great things for LSU, Dinardo left him enough talent to turn it around quickly. Les came in took the players that were left and continued the winning that began with Saban.
Both are great coaches for LSU and LSU is lucky to have them even with Saban at Bama you can not discount what he accomplished.
With Saban we were coming off 2 losing seasons and a Indy bowl team. Prior to Les we were coming off 3 winning seasons with a national championship.
To compare the numbers to me is silly as the talent level was not equal when they began. Saban did great things for LSU, Dinardo left him enough talent to turn it around quickly. Les came in took the players that were left and continued the winning that began with Saban.
Both are great coaches for LSU and LSU is lucky to have them even with Saban at Bama you can not discount what he accomplished.
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:48 pm to scrimpdog
No, actually it's not the Devil's advocates keeping it alive because they tend to be a little more objective that the multitude of pro Saban/pro Miles posters on here.
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:48 pm to BENGAL44
THE ONLY STAT THAT MATTERS>
MILES= LSU's Coach.
SABAN= Antichrist.
Now, lets get out our LSU gear and holy water and go do this thang.
MILES= LSU's Coach.
SABAN= Antichrist.
Now, lets get out our LSU gear and holy water and go do this thang.
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:51 pm to LSU Slacker
quote:
To compare the numbers to me is silly as the talent level was not equal when they began.
I will admit that Saban had more talent/better recruiting while he was here. This only supports my argument
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:57 pm to BENGAL44
quote:
I will admit that Saban had more talent/better recruiting while he was here. This only supports my argument
By your logic, Mike Gundy is a better coach than Miles as he has taken Oklahoma State to a better record and better bowls than Miles?
Posted on 9/18/09 at 10:58 pm to Purple N Gold Blood
no doubt, itsthatdude12...I wish someone would have said that shite about 4 years ago! That woulda put an end to that logic because that's all the gay $aban backers had going for them... 
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