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Why Crowton is so good
Posted on 1/16/09 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 1/16/09 at 12:18 pm
I posted this a couple days ago and it kinda lost in the shuffle under a comparison thread regarding our QBs and Donovan McNabb and I thought it would be worth revisiting.
The premise of the thread was what type of QB would fit Crowton's "scheme" the best, i.e. spread option QBs (Shep, JJ) vs. a true spread throw it around QBs (Lee, and the other kid we got coming--forgot his name).
Here was my response:
"Crowton is neither spread nor traditional. Crowton is an offensive innovator. He does whatever is needed to stay one step ahead of a defense using the personnel that he has. His offense looks NOTHING like it did in his LA Tech days when he threw slip or jailbreak screens 30-40% of the time. He had accurate quarterbacks with quick releases (Tim Rattay). Now he has really morphed into a multiple OC that tries to out flank you and expose weaknesses through multiple formations and shifting.
This is why you see I-formation, Spread, Empty, two-QB, unbalanced, tackle eligible, hook and latter plays off slip screens (Florida game), etc. The guy has NO M.O. He just does whatever is needed to move the football. He is an innovator."
Crowton is good enough to adjust scheme and how he attacks defenses based on the personnel he has. That is why with experience, I think ANY of our QBs can be successful in his system it boils down to who can make the most plays while protecting the football, bottomline.
Wanted to see what you guys thought.
The premise of the thread was what type of QB would fit Crowton's "scheme" the best, i.e. spread option QBs (Shep, JJ) vs. a true spread throw it around QBs (Lee, and the other kid we got coming--forgot his name).
Here was my response:
"Crowton is neither spread nor traditional. Crowton is an offensive innovator. He does whatever is needed to stay one step ahead of a defense using the personnel that he has. His offense looks NOTHING like it did in his LA Tech days when he threw slip or jailbreak screens 30-40% of the time. He had accurate quarterbacks with quick releases (Tim Rattay). Now he has really morphed into a multiple OC that tries to out flank you and expose weaknesses through multiple formations and shifting.
This is why you see I-formation, Spread, Empty, two-QB, unbalanced, tackle eligible, hook and latter plays off slip screens (Florida game), etc. The guy has NO M.O. He just does whatever is needed to move the football. He is an innovator."
Crowton is good enough to adjust scheme and how he attacks defenses based on the personnel he has. That is why with experience, I think ANY of our QBs can be successful in his system it boils down to who can make the most plays while protecting the football, bottomline.
Wanted to see what you guys thought.
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Posted on 1/16/09 at 12:21 pm to LeagueCityTiger
Great post, well stated. However, wtf is up with some of the dumb arse 3rd down calls towards the end of the season? You can't tell me LM had to do with all of them.
Posted on 1/16/09 at 12:29 pm to asylvi1
I agree with you on some of the third down calls. I am a high school football coach that is an offensive coordinator and I think the key phrase I used was EXPERIENCE.
Number one rule about calling plays the more inexperienced your QB is the smaller your playbook gets. I just think he had to simplify his playbook so much that there just wasn't anything in the arsenal. Plus was it me or were we ALWAYS in third and LONG? Not much you can do on third and long consistently in ANY offense.
Number one rule about calling plays the more inexperienced your QB is the smaller your playbook gets. I just think he had to simplify his playbook so much that there just wasn't anything in the arsenal. Plus was it me or were we ALWAYS in third and LONG? Not much you can do on third and long consistently in ANY offense.
Posted on 1/16/09 at 12:33 pm to LeagueCityTiger
good observations. only thing that I don't like with Crowton is that sometimes he'll seem to find something that works and then go completely away from it. not saying run it into the ground, but things like Scott and KW in the I looked good but were seldom if ever seen again after the SC game. there was a RB bubble screen he ran in that game that was about the safest throw Lee could make but we never saw it again. I thought that hook and ladder play could've been revisited.
All in all though, I like being multiple in what we do.
All in all though, I like being multiple in what we do.
Posted on 1/16/09 at 12:44 pm to ATLTiger
i've always been impressed with crowton. The thing he is best at is innovation based on his players talents. and you can bet he is loving the current situation with the recruiting class and jefferson stepping up. He'll be cooking something up for next year for sure. can't wait to see it in action. he is the brain of our offense and the reason its gettinjg better
Posted on 1/16/09 at 12:49 pm to rpenni4
Agreed guys. I used the jailbreak screen hook and latter that we used against Florida this season three times and it went:
1) 72 yard TD
2) 66 yard TD
3) 81 yards tackled at the 1-yard line
That was brilliant little wrinkle that I have never seen ANYONE other than Crowton do. He does that A LOT.
1) 72 yard TD
2) 66 yard TD
3) 81 yards tackled at the 1-yard line
That was brilliant little wrinkle that I have never seen ANYONE other than Crowton do. He does that A LOT.
Posted on 1/16/09 at 4:16 pm to LeagueCityTiger
It is definitely good to be versatile and be able to do a lot of things well... the key word is "well". One of the risks of implementing multiple systems / formations is it can potentially make it more difficult for players to become truly proficient at any of them (jack of all trades, master of none). In many sports, athletes who drill and drill to master fundamentals, and can execute a handful of things exceptionally well, will often prevail over opponents who perhaps dilute their efforts learning more things, but are unable to execute any of them exceptionally well.
When I see people complaining that we sometimes bog down and find ourselves in long down and distances, and the playcalling starts going away from what was being run successfully, it makes me wonder if this is the issue. Clearly it is only a problem when the playcalling is unsuccessful (when it works, Crowton is a genius). The question is if the sometimes seemingly inconsistent playcalling and results are due to poor execution due to not practicing a given play enough because there are so many plays to practice. If it takes players time to effectively learn a system and know where to be and what to do, then it definitely would seem more challenging to have to learn many.
btw, I think Crowton is a great fit, and the offense has been successful on the whole, so I am not criticizing-- I'm just addressing an issue brought up in this thread.
When I see people complaining that we sometimes bog down and find ourselves in long down and distances, and the playcalling starts going away from what was being run successfully, it makes me wonder if this is the issue. Clearly it is only a problem when the playcalling is unsuccessful (when it works, Crowton is a genius). The question is if the sometimes seemingly inconsistent playcalling and results are due to poor execution due to not practicing a given play enough because there are so many plays to practice. If it takes players time to effectively learn a system and know where to be and what to do, then it definitely would seem more challenging to have to learn many.
btw, I think Crowton is a great fit, and the offense has been successful on the whole, so I am not criticizing-- I'm just addressing an issue brought up in this thread.
Posted on 1/16/09 at 4:46 pm to LeagueCityTiger
quote:
"Crowton is neither spread nor traditional. Crowton is an offensive innovator. He does whatever is needed to stay one step ahead of a defense using the personnel that he has.
bet cha dimes to dollars that he plays a mean game of chess...is he the Bobby Fisher of the SEC?
quote:
This is why you see I-formation, Spread, Empty, two-QB, unbalanced, tackle eligible, hook and latter plays off slip screens (Florida game), etc. The guy has NO M.O. He just does whatever is needed to move the football. He is an innovator."
this is where I get a little nervous. while it is great to have variety of sets it seemed to me that many times this year our plays were tipped by formation and personnel. I personally like the offense being run by Meyer at UF which seemed to run off of less sets but with more options. of course, having Tebow and Harvin gives you great lattitude in creativity and the results were obvious. Crowton will be blessed for the forseeable future at LSU with very similar talent and I hope that enables him to simplify the sets while expanding the options our playmakers have to excell.
being an oc yourself, do you think LSU will go to the, for lack of a better discription, line up and look at the coaches for instruction offense?
Posted on 1/16/09 at 7:03 pm to LeagueCityTiger
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Not much you can do on third and long consistently in ANY offense.
I totally agree with you here, coach, with one glaring exception.
I NEVER, EVER gave a hoot about where we were on third with JRussell.
3 and 18?
Posted on 1/16/09 at 8:33 pm to Meauxjeaux
quote:towards the end of the 01 season (espeically the sugar bowl), lsu's offense was astonishing. 3rd and 18 was nothing for them. and this was after teams knew josh reed was tearing it up and they STILL couldn't stop it. i've never seen an lsu team throw downfield more often AND more successfully.
I NEVER, EVER gave a hoot about where we were on third with JRussell.
my only beef with crowton is that sometimes he tries to impress himself with how creative he can get instead of just going with some good old fashioned run between the tackles. that is REALLY nitpicky. other than that, i think he is surpassed by none in the game today.
Posted on 1/16/09 at 9:42 pm to LeagueCityTiger
Great Post LeagueCityTiger.
GC isn't married to any system (west coast, spread option, spread, fun-n-gun, etc). He has a flexibility that Meyer, Spurrier, Leach, Chow, etc do not.
GC isn't married to any system (west coast, spread option, spread, fun-n-gun, etc). He has a flexibility that Meyer, Spurrier, Leach, Chow, etc do not.
Posted on 1/16/09 at 9:48 pm to asylvi1
I will agree 100%! When Crowton was at Tech he used Rattay and Edwards to its fullest. Quick WR screens and short slants to get the ball in the playmakers hands. I have questioned his play calling with inexperienced QB's thinking he should have used the same philosophy thllat he used at Tech. Get The Ball In The Your Playmakers Hands As Soon As Possible! It got Troy Edwards the Bilenekof Award.
Posted on 1/16/09 at 9:54 pm to bfniii
quote:
towards the end of the 01 season (espeically the sugar bowl), lsu's offense was astonishing. 3rd and 18 was nothing for them. and this was after teams knew josh reed was tearing it up and they STILL couldn't stop it. i've never seen an lsu team throw downfield more often AND more successfully
The only game I saw that year was Alabama in Tuscaloosa. Davey to Reed at its best. I still think of Reed as the best WR we have had in recent years. He just made it happen....
Posted on 1/16/09 at 10:39 pm to LeagueCityTiger
Crowton is the beast-- 
Posted on 1/17/09 at 12:32 am to Bad Cat
There should be not criticism here. Last year he won a national championship. This year he had a very productive SEC offense with no competency at QB until the last game (plus a defense that allowed a ton of points and couldnt put the offense in good field position regularly).
I wouldnt trade Crowton for anyone in the country. And I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.
I wouldnt trade Crowton for anyone in the country. And I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.
Posted on 1/17/09 at 12:49 am to LeagueCityTiger
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Why Crowton is so good
Posted on 1/17/09 at 12:52 am to Chinaski
i have no doubt crowton is good but the play calling we used in the season games was terrible and i have no doubt this is why our qb looked so bad this season . the gt game was completely different in the play calling and it also showed in the outcome of the game and the way the qb looked.
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