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It's the credit cards fault
Posted on 12/16/08 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 12/16/08 at 12:18 pm
USATODAY
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Credit cards, by encouraging a society of spenders rather than savers, have played a significant role in loading up consumers with unaffordable debt whose rates and terms can change at any time.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 12:21 pm to chrome_daddy
quote:What else did he purchase on credit to make his monthly payment $2000?
The growing problem is reflected in cases such as that of Dennis Spaulding, of Corona, Calif. He bought two last-minute plane tickets for his father's funeral in 2006, a purchase that increased the amount of credit he was using and made him appear riskier to banks. The result: Banks raised the interest rates on four of his credit cards — to 24% and higher — doubling his monthly payments to about $2,000.
This post was edited on 12/16/08 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 12/16/08 at 12:23 pm to Chicken
What's amazing is that I think that $2,000 is his monthly minimum payment. But I like how he blames it on the tickets to his father's funeral.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 12:32 pm to chrome_daddy
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It's the credit cards fault
Don't be so quick to dismiss this. People are ultimately responsible for their own actions, but it is important for us to recognize the environmental factors that shape our behavior. The easy credit we have been experiencing is not a good thing. I have over $50,000 worth of credit available to me via credit cards. That just seems absolutely insane.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 12:36 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Not really. Spending $50,000 on your credit card when you can't afford to pay it back completely on your next bill...now that is insane.
That just seems absolutely insane.
I have never seen credit cards as a long term loan vehicle. I have always viewed them as a convenience to not having to carry cash with me all the time, or not having to deal with check writing.
No one can blame anyone else for their credit card debt.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 12:44 pm to TigerinATL
Methinks if you went out and used up about 20K worth of your credit lines that within 6 months the models will ratchet you back severely.
After bumping up your rate, of course.
After bumping up your rate, of course.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 12:47 pm to Chicken
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No one can blame anyone else for their credit card debt.
I'm not talking about spreading blame, I'm talking about the fact that those individuals with the worst record of fiscal responsibility NORMALLY would not have such easy access to cheap credit. It's just not a good idea for the lender or borrower. The system went haywire over the past 5 years or so and we now are seeing results that you'd expect. You typically don't hold the Weight Watchers meetings next to the Dunkin Donuts for a reason.
This post was edited on 12/16/08 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 12/16/08 at 1:23 pm to Chicken
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No one can blame anyone else for their credit card debt.
Well that is not quite true. Your spouse may run up your bill, I have seen it happen to others. I used to work for CapitalScum, and I have some comments on credit cards:
- The credit card companies want you to spend, and rack up your balances. They do all sorts of stuff to encourage you to spend. Teaser rates, checks, and promoting using your card for a cash advance.
- The credit card companies lobbied hard to get the bankruptcy reform act in 2005. This law makes it almost impossible for consumers to walk away from credit card debt. Now the personal responsibility associated with this is admirable, the credit card companies abused this. They upped limits of questionable people, knowing that they could go after them indefinitely for their balances.
- The credit card companies behave in a highly unethical basis on your credit score. They manipulate it for their benefit. One tactic is to post your highest balance ever as your outstanding balance. They also will not put your correct credit limit in their reportings.
So while no one is to blame for your spending habits, the credit card companies bear some responsibility for the current credit mess. And they most likely will suffer large losses, when bankruptcy is re-reformed to allow people to walk away from their credit card debt.
There is NO reason why consumers should not have the option of bankruptcy. The credit card companies can get out of their debt by filing for bankruptcy, but their clients can't? WTF?
Posted on 12/16/08 at 1:30 pm to MileHigh
quote:It is true. Your credit card balance doesn't magically appear. Someone bought more than they could afford. It is as simple as that.
Well that is not quite true.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 1:32 pm to Chicken
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It is true. Your credit card balance doesn't magically appear. Someone bought more than they could afford. It is as simple as that.
If you have a joint account, they could run it up. I know someone who had this happen to them. They got married, joined accounts, the guy then put on $20k worth of debt. And then left her.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 1:38 pm to MileHigh
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I know someone who had this happen to them. They got married, joined accounts, the guy then put on $20k worth of debt. And then left her.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 1:42 pm to MileHigh
quote:ok, but what percentage of people in credit card debt can truly blame someone else for their situation?
If you have a joint account, they could run it up. I know someone who had this happen to them. They got married, joined accounts, the guy then put on $20k worth of debt. And then left her.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 1:48 pm to Chicken
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ok, but what percentage of people in credit card debt can truly blame someone else for their situation?
very few. But it proves your absolute above is crap.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 2:34 pm to MileHigh
I've got your absolute right here...
*** points to crotch
*** points to crotch
Posted on 12/17/08 at 10:21 am to Chicken
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a purchase that increased the amount of credit he was using and made him appear riskier to banks. The result: Banks raised the interest rates on four of his credit cards — to 24% and higher — doubling his monthly payments to about $2,000.
This ought to be illegal. What is the logic behind this?
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