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Why isn't fuel economy getting better? *Spinoff from Ecoboost thread*
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:15 pm
In the last 30 years the auto industry hasn't made any significant strides in fuel economy (specifically in trucks). Whats going on? Why don't we see a breakthrough in technology in this industry?
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Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:17 pm to treble hook
A lot to do with environmental regulations for exhaust
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:18 pm to treble hook
A lot to do with safety regulations and weight.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:18 pm to Croacka
big oil cant let that happen
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:19 pm to LaFBfan
quote:
big oil cant let that happen
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:21 pm to Nodust
same reason the levees failed in Katrina, Deep Horizon incident, etc. Shitty Engineers. 
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:21 pm to LaFBfan
quote:
big oil cant let that happen
Here's your winner, OP
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:25 pm to Judge Smails
I believe it's more a physics problem than a political statement.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:27 pm to LaFBfan
quote:
big oil cant let that happen
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:28 pm to tigerfoot
quote:
I believe it's more a physics problem than a political statement.
Yeah plus no one here really wants a truck that'll do 40 MPG. They'd like the idea of that number but wouldn't want the cost/complexity or complete uselessness of a vehicle that'll do it.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:29 pm to treble hook
Just find a cost effective diesel and put in 1/2 ton and rangers/tacomas
Boom
Boom
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:29 pm to treble hook
US auto manufacturers hire engineers from ITT Tech. They also hire designers from The General insurance commercials. Horrible, stupid, and dumb. Every single one of them.
The EPA sucks CARB's tube steak, and follows anything they do. Great idea, let's do what California does. They are a big limiting factor in gas mileage.
Case in point:
From the factory, my diesel truck got ~13mpg highway. Got rid of all of the EPA bullshite and put a new program on it. Viola! 24mpg highway and I drive like an a-hole. One morning I was getting 13mpg, and that afternoon I was getting 24mpg
The EPA sucks CARB's tube steak, and follows anything they do. Great idea, let's do what California does. They are a big limiting factor in gas mileage.
Case in point:
From the factory, my diesel truck got ~13mpg highway. Got rid of all of the EPA bullshite and put a new program on it. Viola! 24mpg highway and I drive like an a-hole. One morning I was getting 13mpg, and that afternoon I was getting 24mpg
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:34 pm to treble hook
If you had been making 400hp pickups in 1970 they would have been getting about 2 gallons to the mile instead of 20mpg like they get today.
Tech is definitely improving.
Tech is definitely improving.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:45 pm to Hammertime
Yea the EPA is fricking things up enormously for the diesel market
You waste so much energy with that shite.
You waste so much energy with that shite.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:47 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
On one of our new tractors we have to add BluDef to take out the sulfur. If it runs out, shuts down your tractor
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:49 pm to Croacka
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A lot to do with environmental regulations for exhaust
I think there was a Honda civic in the 80s or 90s that had 40+ mpg before the regulations kicked up.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:49 pm to jimbeam
Same thing happens with new OTR diesel trucks, every piece of equipment sold, boat motors, generators, etc. Anything with a diesel motor in it is now less reliable, more expensive, less fuel efficient, and more expensive to maintain
A Jetta TDI gets 60+mpg in Europe. A Jetta TDI here gets 40+
Almost every car on the market overseas has a diesel motor as an option. They don't here because it is too expensive to retrofit them for US regulations
A Jetta TDI gets 60+mpg in Europe. A Jetta TDI here gets 40+
Almost every car on the market overseas has a diesel motor as an option. They don't here because it is too expensive to retrofit them for US regulations
This post was edited on 3/11/13 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:50 pm to Croacka
Double
This post was edited on 3/11/13 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:50 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
If you had been making 400hp pickups in 1970 they would have been getting about 2 gallons to the mile instead of 20mpg like they get today.
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The trucks now have a lot more horsepower.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 12:51 pm to Hammertime
Yep, Al Gore and his hippies are frickin up diesel engines with their homosexual regulations.
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