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What gun invention revolutionized warfare

Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:20 am
Posted by volod
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:20 am

I am referring to the difference in gun battles between the American Civil War and the first World War World. Was it breech loading rifles or simply the change in bullets (minie balls).

Im just trying to understand what ultimately made line infantry tactics obsolete
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:21 am to
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what ultimately made line infantry tactics obsolete

The machine gun.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:23 am to
Well rifled barrels made the Civil War casualties so high. The tactics hadn't caught up yet. Then cartridged ammunition really changed the game. And of course the machine gun.
Posted by brass2mouth
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:23 am to
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The machine gun.


Period. Dot. End of story.
Posted by Kashmir
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:23 am to
grooved barrels, cartridges, more capacity magazines, and fully automatic weapons
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:26 am to
rifling
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:28 am to
quote:



Im just trying to understand what ultimately made line infantry tactics obsolete


Machine guns and smokeless powder.
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:29 am to
They were using hollow points in the Civil War.

Now, we can only shoot nice bullets.

Times sure have changed.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:34 am to
rifling barrels was a huge advancement

I would say repeating ammunition.
Once a gun could shoot as many times as the trigger was pressed that was a huge leap forward.

Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:36 am to
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They were using hollow points in the Civil War.


What?

Minie balls are not "hollow points"
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:46 am to
the self contained cartridge and auto-loading firearms
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 10:48 am to
Without self contained cartridges, machine guns would have never advanced. So that my answer.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:04 am to
Machine gun hands down. At the time it was introduced to the battle field armies were still doing human wave attacks similar to civil war type battle although not marching in formation. It led to battle field gridlock and trenches since new tactics had to be devised.
Posted by 911Moto
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:04 am to
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The machine gun.


If anyone here enjoys alternate history books, read "Guns of the South." Without spoiling too much, the South gets supplied with AK 47s. It's a fun read.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:36 am to
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the self contained cartridge


This. The self-contained small arms cartridge reshaped the landscape of warfare.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:57 am to
Posted by choupiquesushi
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 12:00 pm to
rifled barrel
Posted by Jester
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 12:04 pm to
Cartridges and rifling are 1A and 1B
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
30589 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 12:05 pm to
quote:

They were using hollow points in the Civil War.


quote:

What?

Minie balls are not "hollow points"



I like history.

"Unlike a solid ball, which could pass through the human body nearly intact, leaving an exit wound not much larger than the entrance wound, the soft, hollow-based Minié ball flattened and deformed upon impact, while creating a shock wave that emanated outward."

"The Minié ball didn’t just break bones, it shattered them. It didn’t just pierce tissue and internal organs, it shredded them. And if the ragged, tumbling bullet had enough force to cleave completely through the body, which it often did, it tore out an exit wound several times the size of the entrance wound. Civil War surgeons were quickly overwhelmed by the gaping wounds, mangled bodies and mutilated limbs they were asked to repair as the scope of the war broadened and casualties mounted. Though often accused of being too partial to their bone saws, amputating arms and legs as quickly as the men could be placed on their operating tables and subdued with chloroform or ether, the surgeons really had no choice. Even if they’d had the skills and resources to attempt reconstructive surgery, in the heat of battle they didn’t have the time."
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
12976 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 12:09 pm to
Minie ball gets my vote
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