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What can cause a bullet to tumble? Update pg 2
Posted on 6/20/15 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 6/20/15 at 3:20 pm
Bought a new Springfield 1911 champion 4" model. The bullet appears to be tumbling.
I'm using reloads but the are great out of my Para Ordinance 1911 4"
It's a used gun and after I got home I really cleaned well so maybe that will help.
Any other ideas?
I'm using reloads but the are great out of my Para Ordinance 1911 4"
It's a used gun and after I got home I really cleaned well so maybe that will help.
Any other ideas?
This post was edited on 7/3/15 at 5:17 pm
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Posted on 6/20/15 at 3:22 pm to bbvdd
Also, the spring that was in it caused it to be a little sloppy as well. I changed it but haven't shot with the original yet.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 3:24 pm to bbvdd
Bad crown and incorrect rate twist for ammo used. Those are 2 off the top of my head.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 6:47 pm to ChatRabbit77
Damage to the crown, shot out barrel, bad reloads. Shoot some factory ammo through it before you do anything else.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 7:08 pm to ChatRabbit77
Good advice here.
I've never heard of tumbling out of a handgun, that's odd. I would love to see a target to see the bigass hole from a 45 hitting it sideways.
I've never heard of tumbling out of a handgun, that's odd. I would love to see a target to see the bigass hole from a 45 hitting it sideways.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 7:46 pm to bbvdd
Try a lighter bullet. Twist rate might be too slow to stabilize the bullet if it's too heavy. Happens in rifles so it could be the case in a pistol.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 8:02 pm to bbvdd
What makes you think the bullet is "tumbling"? . 45 bullet length isn't much more than diameter.
A rifle bullet, on the other hand is much longer than diameter. A tumbling. 223 bullet looks like a small triangle on a paper target.
This post was edited on 6/20/15 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 6/20/15 at 8:15 pm to Shexter
The holes in the paper just weren't right and at 7 yards it was shooting about 8-10" pattern. The exact same ammo out of the Para Ordinance was 1".
ETA: I'm really hoping the barrel was dirty and the slop from the after-market spring is what caused the tumbling.
ETA: I'm really hoping the barrel was dirty and the slop from the after-market spring is what caused the tumbling.
This post was edited on 6/20/15 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 6/20/15 at 8:24 pm to bbvdd
Put some factory ammo through it and see what happens.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 8:54 pm to bbvdd
there are a thousand things that will cause a 1911 to shoot poorly, despite its cult-like following.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 8:58 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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there are a thousand things that will cause a 1911 to shoot poorly, despite its cult-like following.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 9:39 pm to bbvdd
never heard of handgun rounds tumbling
Posted on 6/20/15 at 10:17 pm to Carson123987
oh they will. YEARS ago me and a buddy reloaded some ammo for his .44 mag and used lead wad cutters in a mag load. the slug was going down the barrel too fast for the groves to imart proper spin (if any spin). ended up with a buch of funny looking holes in the paper and one REALLY fouled barrel.
side note: with proper hearing protection sometimes you can hear the bullet tumbling. like a fast hard ball ripping through the air.
side note: with proper hearing protection sometimes you can hear the bullet tumbling. like a fast hard ball ripping through the air.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 10:32 pm to bbvdd
When looking at a lihht through the barrel, do you notice any rings?
One bulge won't do it, multiple bulges will.
It isn't uncommon if the previous owner prefered low powered reloads to save money
Glocks handle the problem better than most. The treasured 1911 does not.
Check it, barrels are cheap and that platform is a joy to shoot.
One bulge won't do it, multiple bulges will.
It isn't uncommon if the previous owner prefered low powered reloads to save money
Glocks handle the problem better than most. The treasured 1911 does not.
Check it, barrels are cheap and that platform is a joy to shoot.
Posted on 6/20/15 at 11:11 pm to bbvdd
quote:
I'm using reloads but the are great out of my Para Ordinance 1911 4"
What bullet weight are you shooting?
Posted on 6/21/15 at 8:26 am to TigerOnThe Hill
The barrel looks pristine.
Shooting 200 grain lead bullets with 6.1 grains of Be-86
Shooting 200 grain lead bullets with 6.1 grains of Be-86
Posted on 6/21/15 at 4:02 pm to bbvdd
If somebody stole my valuable stuff, I'd sure go and get it back! And beat his arse too!
The twist on a factory 45 ACP barrel should be adequate to handle a 200 grain bullet. I don't know why the bullets would tumble. Can you share some pics? What kind of targets are you shooting at? My targets consist of the "garage sale" 1" dots stuck to left over computer printer paper. Even when I know the bullets are not tumbling, I've had bullets make some really odd shapes when shot at my targets if taped to a flimsy backstop.
The twist on a factory 45 ACP barrel should be adequate to handle a 200 grain bullet. I don't know why the bullets would tumble. Can you share some pics? What kind of targets are you shooting at? My targets consist of the "garage sale" 1" dots stuck to left over computer printer paper. Even when I know the bullets are not tumbling, I've had bullets make some really odd shapes when shot at my targets if taped to a flimsy backstop.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 4:04 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
I'm no range junky, but paper stuck to cardboard stuck to plywood seems to make the cleanest holes.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 4:09 pm to bbvdd
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lead bullets
I had a S&W 637 that would not shoot Magtech ammo with lead bullets without them tumbling at 7 yards. Everything that was jacketed shot just fine.
Maybe it's the lead bullets in combination with that particular pistol.
This post was edited on 6/21/15 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 6/21/15 at 4:15 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Wish I had taken a picture of the target but i didn't. The target has a cardboard backer.
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