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We all know a spike can grow to a wall hanger but,
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:10 pm
Would a first year 6pt ( think 5 inch spikes that fork with small brows) be more likely to put points on with age?
Is there a point gene that he may have that may equate to splits,kickers, drops?
Not gonna shoot one just curious if anybody has heard or read anything about it.
Is there a point gene that he may have that may equate to splits,kickers, drops?
Not gonna shoot one just curious if anybody has heard or read anything about it.
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:13 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
That usually denotes he has excellent genetics and will likely be a giant.. not saying a smooth spike can't be also though
Posted on 12/23/14 at 5:56 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
I believe that more of anything; mass, points, spread, length, etc, at an earlier age will result in that much more as a MB.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:15 pm to CroTigerXIII
If this is the case then the chances of a future trophy making it past 2 are very slim around here
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:17 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
many years ago at the LSU deer reasearch farm when it was on ben hur, the largest deer rack ever grown started as a spike
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:43 pm to mack the knife
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many years ago at the LSU deer reasearch farm when it was on ben hur, the largest deer rack ever grown started as a spike
Sounds like an urban legend
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:47 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Statistically he should reach his maximum potential by year 6. And he should grow larger each year until then. With that said, he could be like the kid that's a stud on the ball field up until 10th grade when everyone else catches up with him! Who knows? He may just add more points, or maybe width, hopefully both.
Now, the odds are definitely in his favor to grow into a great buck. The only problem with bucks like him is that most will shoot him next year thinking he is a "maxed out" four year old, not realizing he is a stud two year old. The hardest thing for many hunters to do is pass on the two year old ten and shoot the three year old six.
Now, the odds are definitely in his favor to grow into a great buck. The only problem with bucks like him is that most will shoot him next year thinking he is a "maxed out" four year old, not realizing he is a stud two year old. The hardest thing for many hunters to do is pass on the two year old ten and shoot the three year old six.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 6:54 pm to ColesCreek
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The hardest thing for most hunters is to know a 2 year olffrom a 3 year old from a 4 year old
Fify
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:24 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
If his horns forked the first year then he has potential. A young spike will get there eventually too but it will take him 5 years to get where that 6pt will be in 3.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:53 pm to MillerMan
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many years ago at the LSU deer reasearch farm when it was on ben hur, the largest deer rack ever grown started as a spike
Sounds like an urban legend
nope, i saw it. like i said, it was so long ago that the LSU deer farm was out at ben hur
Posted on 12/23/14 at 7:59 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Here is a great article on the subject that I came across the other day. LINK
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:03 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
And the same on my lease in Melville. Young deer don't have a chance. It's all about hey I killed a six point or an 8 point, but you never hear that it's a year and a half old with a 9 inch spread.
Every couple of years a MB from the surrounding, better managed leases with age and another restrictions, is killed on our lease during the rut.
Until the old guys running the lease change their management strategy we'll never consistently see mature bucks.
Every couple of years a MB from the surrounding, better managed leases with age and another restrictions, is killed on our lease during the rut.
Until the old guys running the lease change their management strategy we'll never consistently see mature bucks.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:05 pm to geaux7122
There is a 0.00% chance the 5.5 year old mainframe 9 out scores the 4.5 year old 11 point in that article.
ETA equal percentage the 5.5 year old goes 165"
ETA equal percentage the 5.5 year old goes 165"
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:08 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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We all know a spike can grow to a wall hanger
Can this be proven?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 8:15 pm to mack the knife
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many years ago at the LSU deer reasearch farm when it was on ben hur, the largest deer rack ever grown started as a spike
Pics or gtfo
Posted on 12/23/14 at 9:37 pm to geaux7122
Yea, I saw that article. A spike is said to have grown to a trophy. But, had that spike been a 6 with his first point would he have been a non typical with a bunch of junk at his peak? Does he have genetics that make his horns grow points rather that spread or mass?
Just curious. Not trying to argue. We all know some Bucks have with, some have mass,some have time length. Some have a combo of two and a record buck could have all 3. Just over analyzing
Just curious. Not trying to argue. We all know some Bucks have with, some have mass,some have time length. Some have a combo of two and a record buck could have all 3. Just over analyzing
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:09 pm to geaux7122
That's an amazing set of photos in that article. It looks like if you can just avoid the temptation of shooting him at 2.5 and even 3.5, you would have a real trophy to hunt from 4.5 to 10.5 years.
As far as FTF's original question, no clue. I'd like to see a study on that similar to that article set of photos.
With all the hunters and hounds where I hunt, it would take a ninja buck to live over 3 years.
As far as FTF's original question, no clue. I'd like to see a study on that similar to that article set of photos.
With all the hunters and hounds where I hunt, it would take a ninja buck to live over 3 years.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:36 pm to Nascar Fan
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We all know a spike can grow to a wall hanger
Can this be proven?
Yes, it was proven approx 20 yrs ago by James Kroll. But there's a BIG caveat: according to him, in order for a 1st yr spike to grow into a trophy deer, nutrition, overall health of the herd and buck:doe ratio will all need to be favorable. If the above factors are not favorable, while the 1st yr spike will still grow to have a multi-point rack, he won't grow to have a trophy rack.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:46 am to TigerOnThe Hill
Hey guys, this might be my first post in the OB.
Yes it has been proven by people who raise deer in pens and radio collared deer studies. A spike is not always a spike and can grow into a nice deer with age.
To the OP`s question, here is something yall may not have considered. Here in southeast La. we just had our first round of rut activity start up after this last full moon. Lets say a mature doe that's had a few fawns already got bred say Dec. 15th.
Count off three to four weeks later and another round of does come in and get bred. Another three to four weeks another round which would include your last year born does coming in heat for the first time. We`re now into Feb.
just last year I saw trail cam pics of hard horn bucks bloody from fighting into early march.
So your big mature doe could have a fawn born two months or so before your yearling first time mother doe. Which fawn do you think will likely be a little six point and which a small spike? keep in mind which one has lived longer during the antler growing season.
Yes it has been proven by people who raise deer in pens and radio collared deer studies. A spike is not always a spike and can grow into a nice deer with age.
To the OP`s question, here is something yall may not have considered. Here in southeast La. we just had our first round of rut activity start up after this last full moon. Lets say a mature doe that's had a few fawns already got bred say Dec. 15th.
Count off three to four weeks later and another round of does come in and get bred. Another three to four weeks another round which would include your last year born does coming in heat for the first time. We`re now into Feb.
just last year I saw trail cam pics of hard horn bucks bloody from fighting into early march.
So your big mature doe could have a fawn born two months or so before your yearling first time mother doe. Which fawn do you think will likely be a little six point and which a small spike? keep in mind which one has lived longer during the antler growing season.
Posted on 12/24/14 at 5:32 am to GROCK
Great thread! I mean is it ever good take a spike? What if you've got a big bodies 10" cow horn running around? Shoot it or let it live? I've hunted leases where they want to kill them at 3-4" and some that say don't kill any. Had a buddy who's dad owned a ranch and their prized buck was a long spike for 3 yrs. lol. Out of no where's he grew into a beautiful 10pt.
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