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***UPDATE NO.3**My new AR is cycling .223 fine but hanging up on 5.56

Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:10 pm
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:10 pm
I just finished a build through PSA and was finally able to do some shooting this weekend. Only put about 100 rounds through it but found that it would not function with 5.56 (American Eagle 55gr). It would not get more than two rounds through it without a misfire. It seemed as if the BCG was getting caught up about .25" from being in full battery. All I got was a "click" and no fire. Ejected magazine, manually ejected unfired round with charging handle and repeated process about 10 times with same results. .223 (Remington express core-lokt) ran fine with no issues. I used the same magazines all afternoon- PMAG's.

Anyone else have this problem? Will this subside after a couple hundred rounds typically? I have no problem just purchasing .223 rounds from now on since that is what the rifle is running fine with, but was just curious as to what the issue could be.

Here is my build parts list-
PSA CMV 16'' 5.56mm 1:7 Carbine Length M4 Profile - Without BCG & Charging Handle
PSA 5.56 Premium Full Auto Bolt Carrier Group
PSA AR-15 Complete Lower Magpul ACS-L Edition - ODG, No Magazine
Magpul PMAG 30 M3 MagLevel, 5.56x45 Magazine MAG556-BLK
BCM gunfighter medium charging handle.









UPDATE NO.2***

Three 5.56 rounds. The one Im holding to the left did not fire but was clearly struck by firing pin. The other two did fire.

I was finally able to get another rifle to help with the troubleshoot. Was getting same results as above - click and no boom. The one thing that was different was that the BCG did go fully into battery every single time today and did not hang up like it was previously. It still ran .223 fine, but would not fire 5.56 consistently (misfire every other round or so).
-First thing we did was fire an entire magazine of my suspect American Eagle 5.56 through rifle no.2 (the rifle that is functioning right) and my ammo ran fine through this gun. We then tried same ammo with same magazine through my rifle (rifle no.1) and it misfires every other round or so.
-We then swapped entire BCG between rifles. Same results. Rifle no.2 ran fine with no malfucntions and my rifle (no.1) misfired on every other round, at one point 5 rounds in a row. The round was struck, but not fired.
-Next we swapped BCG's back to original gun but changed firing pins. Same results.
-Next, replace firing pins back to original and changed buffers only. Same results.
-Next, replaced buffers back to original rifles but swapped buffer springs. Same results.
-Next, swapped both buffers and springs. Same results.
-Finally, restored rifles to all original parts and same results. My rifle would always strike the round but not fire consistently. His rifle, with various combinations of my parts would run fine and did not hang up or misfire one single time. I am truly stumped and am awaiting another call back from PSA at some point this week to help diagnose and hopefully request to send the complete rifle back to them. Dont know if any of this info helps. It seems we eliminated ammo, BCG and firing pin, buffer and spring today. Not sure where this leaves me.



***UPDATE NO.3***
I ended up shipping the entire rifle back to PSA on 2/25/15. I finally got the rifle back last week with a letter signed by their lead technician (Estes) saying that they replaced the entire BCG Assy and apologized profusely for it taking so long. They didnt give me any specifics on what the exact problem was and Im truly stumped because the first thing we did when troublshooting was took my BCG out and put it in a 2nd functioning rifle and it ran fine. The rifle was bought the week before Christmas and is now finally working so that's very disappointing that it took so long but Im happy that's it finally operating. I put approx 200 rds through it over the weekend and it functioned perfect. I'll buy PSA again, and just wanted to follow up for anyone that was wondering or curious.
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 2:12 pm
Posted by northern
Member since Jan 2014
1360 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:18 pm to
Did you check the headspace?
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
Member since Oct 2007
60283 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:18 pm to
oil the everliving frick out of the BCG.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:21 pm to
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oil the everliving frick out of the BCG.


It is, I put Hoppes no.9 gun grease on the 4 rails and CLP lightly brushed over all surface area. I wouldnt think a lubrication issue would be the answer to the discprecancy in the dif types of ammo cycling.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

Did you check the headspace?

Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24937 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

Did you check the headspace?


You need a headspacing gauge:

LINK
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 1:05 pm to
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You need a headspacing gauge:


Im not sure why I would need this and what it would do for me. Im ignorant to this. The rifle is a 5.56 rifle. Why would it need to be gauged?
Posted by northern
Member since Jan 2014
1360 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 1:26 pm to
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Why would it need to be gauged?


To make sure everything is within spec. I assume you bought a complete upper and did not piece it together yourself? 99% of the time this should eliminate the problem as the upper should have been checked and function tested.

I bring all my builds to a gunsmith to do a once over and check the headspace just to be safe. Outside of ammunition malfunction, improper headspacing is a leading cause for kabooms. Better safe than sorry.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

To make sure everything is within spec. I assume you bought a complete upper and did not piece it together yourself? 99% of the time this should eliminate the problem as the upper should have been checked and function tested. I bring all my builds to a gunsmith to do a once over and check the headspace just to be safe. Outside of ammunition malfunction, improper headspacing is a leading cause for kabooms. Better safe than sorry.


Yes, it was a complete upper and it is a 5.56 upper. That's what's confusing. Why would you need to headspace a barrel to make sure it will shoot what it was intended to shoot? And if it isnt quite large enough of a bore to shoot 5.56, am I just shite out of luck? I feel I will just shoot .223 from now on just to be safe, but it sure is shitty that you cant shoot a 5.56 round through something that was specifically designed to do just that.
Posted by H.M. Murdock
B.A.'s Van
Member since Feb 2013
2113 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:25 pm to
headspace is likely the issue. Do you have pics of the fired brass, unfired brass, bolt face?

PSA is questionable on quality. Call their customer service and request them to make it right.
This post was edited on 1/12/15 at 2:26 pm
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:28 pm to
Since .223 is cycling fine, would I be OK just shooting that from now on and disregarding 5.56?
Posted by H.M. Murdock
B.A.'s Van
Member since Feb 2013
2113 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:29 pm to
I would check headspace, contact PSA first. Maintaining all of ones fingers is often a good thing
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:30 pm to
quote:

headspace is likely the issue. Do you have pics of the fired brass, unfired brass, bolt face?


No I do not.

quote:

headspace is likely the issue


So what is the course of action. Buy a headspace gauge (not sure what size?) and see if it fits my barrel? If it doesnt, then that means it was below what factory tolerance should have been? Need a new barrel?
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24937 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:33 pm to
With a 5.56 in the chamber will the bolt move all the way forward and lock or does it stop just short?

Posted by 4X4DEMON
NWLA
Member since Dec 2007
11957 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:37 pm to
quote:

With a 5.56 in the chamber will the bolt move all the way forward and lock or does it stop just short?


Will it seat the round with a bump to the forward assist?
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:37 pm to
quote:

With a 5.56 in the chamber will the bolt move all the way forward and lock or does it stop just short?


It will stop just short as if it's not quite locking all the way.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

Will it seat the round with a bump to the forward assist?


The round appears to be chambered completely, but the BCG still doesnt look to be fully "engaged" or closed.
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5857 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:44 pm to
Like everyone said, check the headspace. Do not shoot until you get this done. I watched a video today of a guy shooting a century arms ak. It was not properly headspaced and blew up after about 5 rounds.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13546 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:44 pm to
I will be one pissed off son of a bitch if I have to send my upper back because they couldnt keep a barrel bore in tolerance and didnt inspect it before shipping it. (Assuming that's my problem)
Posted by 4X4DEMON
NWLA
Member since Dec 2007
11957 posts
Posted on 1/12/15 at 2:45 pm to
is the bcg touching the case?
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