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Timber estimate for approximately 15 acres

Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:52 pm
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 6:52 pm
Thinking about possibly clearing 15 acres containing a mixture of mature hardwoods and pine. I have never sold timber so I don't have a clue to the process.

Don't know the tree to acre ratio either. Just trying to get a possible worst case/best case scenario to see if it even makes sense financially. (North Arkansas)

Anyone here knowledgable with harvesting timber?
Posted by Palo Gaucho
Benton
Member since Jul 2013
3333 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:03 pm to
$0-$60,000.

Need more info. Your average tract brings $1-2k/acre. 15 acres may or may not have enough volume to get a logger interested. Lack of volume could also negatively affect price. In addition to volume, timber type, specs, access, and ground conditions will affect price.

This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 7:08 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:04 pm to
That is a small track but you should be able to find some timber buyers to give you quotes.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13354 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:04 pm to
have family property in Arkansas about 12 acres...

call the Arkansas Forestry Commission for the county your property is in.
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:04 pm to
Well that is a worst case/best case scenario!
Posted by Voorhies7
Rounding 3rd
Member since Oct 2012
5591 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:11 pm to
If your land is high & dry, you will have better luck getting it cut in monsoon season. Also location helps with small tracks of land. The closer to the mill the better off you are.
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:13 pm to
quote:

Need more info. Your average tract brings $1-2k/acre. 15 acres may or may not have enough volume to get a logger interested. Lack of volume could also negatively affect price. In addition to volume, timber type, specs, access, and ground conditions will affect price.
thanks, that kind of gives me a starting point. Best case would be appx $30,000 based your numbers.



Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24928 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:15 pm to
If your in north AR, is it safe to say it's fairly hilly? How is access to the property?
Posted by WhuckFistle
Member since Jul 2015
2988 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:16 pm to
If hardwood is as high as it was last year, you can get some nice coin back. My uncle had part of the land he owns on our lease and it was maybe 30 acres at most. He got close to 75k back.

Another part of land that we hunt on that we don't have to pay to lease. They ended up getting around a little over 300k.

I'm sure this doesn't help any though but all this was cut in SW Arkansas
Posted by Palo Gaucho
Benton
Member since Jul 2013
3333 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:20 pm to
Hardwood is king in SW AR. After all the rain we had this year. Good chance Domino and Ashdown will be in a bind this winter.
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:23 pm to
quote:

If your in north AR, is it safe to say it's fairly hilly? How is access to the property?
hilly but good access.

I just did a google search show the closest mill is less than 10 miles away.

The mill owner is the same family I bought the land from. Not sure if that is a good or bad thing.....but I'm thinking more than likely bad.
Posted by Palo Gaucho
Benton
Member since Jul 2013
3333 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:26 pm to
If I were you, I would call a couple of the more reputable timber buyers in your area to see what you've got
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 7:30 pm to
quote:

call the Arkansas Forestry Commission for the county your property is in.
that seems like a logical first step.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6810 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:51 pm to
My cousin sold a mixture of pines/hardwoods a few yrs ago in SW AR. IIRC, my cousin paid a forester a consultant fee. They came to an agreement as to the minimum size of trees he wanted to sell. The forester surveyed the land for trees meeting the size specs, measured them, marked them, and provided an estimate to my cousin as to how much the timber should bring. Then my cousin went to a number of different timber buyers, had them inspect the property w/ trees marked to be cut and got an offer from them. Seemed to work out pretty good for him.
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13354 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 9:21 pm to
quote:

that seems like a logical first step.



just had it done for our family property.

The county forester goes out and surveys the property, from there they will give you recommendations..

NRCS and a couple other federal programs have some neat shareholder options for timber operations.

Also they can provide you a list of timber operators in the area.

They are a very helpful resource from my experiences with them.

I'm getting a BMP written for the property for free, also they do control burns (for free), as well as cut fire lanes.
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:16 pm to
What state?
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
13354 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:29 pm to
Arkansas... we have property in Pike County, went to the Arkansas Forestry Commission office in Murfreesboro and talked to the forester directly, but you can call the county office and discuss with the forester just as efficiently

LINK

Here's the link, just find the county your property is in, should have contact information listed.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 10:32 pm
Posted by Uncle Willy
N La
Member since Feb 2014
77 posts
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:57 pm to
Get a local consultant forester to take a look at it. If it has potential for considerable revenue they can advise you & act as your agent to help you sell it, plant it, get govt cost share $ - whatever. If nothing else they can hook you up with a reputable dealer that won't break it off in your arse if you sell the timber.
Trust me - 20 yrs in the timber business- it's possible to lose a good bit of $$$ if you walk into it blind.
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