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re: The Fly Fishing Thread: Questions, pics, discussion all here
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:45 am to AubieALUMdvm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 10:45 am to AubieALUMdvm
I'm ready to start fly fishing for redfish. Got a lot to learn.
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Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:25 pm to Redfish2010
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I'm ready to start fly fishing for redfish. Got a lot to learn.
Honestly, the best advice I ever received concerning redfish was to keep stripping the bait away from the fish...quickly. Like a baitfish trying to swim away, that'll trigger the red to seek and destroy.
Sounds simple but a lot of people (including myself) will stop stripping the bait as the redfish approaches and then they will just run their head.
Good thing is redfish in LA will inhale just about anything.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 1:59 pm to Redfish2010
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I'm ready to start fly fishing for redfish. Got a lot to learn.
Strip strike. I've smacked dozens of trout guys with my push pole that refused to strip strike.
Learn your hauls. You will miss lots of fish if you can't haul.
People say redfish are stupid and will eat anything, this is partly true. However, if drop your fly line on their back, they will spook.
Presentation rules all followed closely by sink rate. Sandbar flies are pretty but if you can't get it in front the fish and down in the water column at the right speed, they are worthless.
Posted on 7/5/15 at 2:57 pm to Barf
If you were to hit me with a push pole for not strip setting a redfish, your arse would be in the water 
. You really don't need to strip set redfish if you've got a decent 8wt with a solid backbone. Just hit em hard and let em run. If you're chasing 30lb fish, different story.
Definitely a common misconception. Sink rate and presentation are really important, especially in the summer. Redfish aren't as dumb as a lot of people would like to think. You can normally make a redfish bite when he doesn't want to bite by pissing him off. To do this, you gotta get the fly in his face. Make sure your sink rate is good based on where you're fishing.
. You really don't need to strip set redfish if you've got a decent 8wt with a solid backbone. Just hit em hard and let em run. If you're chasing 30lb fish, different story. quote:
People say redfish are stupid and will eat anything,
Definitely a common misconception. Sink rate and presentation are really important, especially in the summer. Redfish aren't as dumb as a lot of people would like to think. You can normally make a redfish bite when he doesn't want to bite by pissing him off. To do this, you gotta get the fly in his face. Make sure your sink rate is good based on where you're fishing.
This post was edited on 7/5/15 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 7/5/15 at 4:42 pm to bluemoons
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You really don't need to strip set redfish if you've got a decent 8wt with a solid backbone
I guess with a rod set you at least you're already half way to making a second cast after missing the fish
Seriously though, strip strike. Learn how to set the hook. Many many thousands of hours on a skiff disagree with strip striking not being necessary. There is a reason trout guys come down and blow hook sets the first day of fishing our bulls.
Sure, you might get away without strip striking, but one day you will lose that dirty thirty by trout lifting like a girl scout.
A fun thing to try is tie your tippet off to a scale and pull on it with your rod. I did this with a 9 weight recently and with a rod set, or trout lift, I couldn't generate more than about 3-4 pounds of pressure. Maybe 5 pounds but I felt like any more set and the rod was going to snap. With a low angle and slowly putting pressure, like I was fighting a fish with the bend in the rod butt, I could only pull about 10 pounds. Our heavy forward taper fly lines have a ton of stretch. Combine that with the modern fast action rods, strip strikes becomes all that more important. Unless of course you have a one piece H2 or zenith that you can yank on without it blowing up.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 7:55 am to Barf
OK - just now figured out what strip sets were from reading this. I didn't know what you guys were talking about. Didn't know you could do that.
btw - went striper fishing off the coast of Maine this weekend. I missed a couple when I did a rod set and am wondering if this strip set would have helped. Anyway, Pics coming when I can get them uploaded.
btw - went striper fishing off the coast of Maine this weekend. I missed a couple when I did a rod set and am wondering if this strip set would have helped. Anyway, Pics coming when I can get them uploaded.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 9:21 am to AubieALUMdvm
Any rod-builders on here? I've been thinking I want to get a little 2/3 wt. glass rod. then I started thinking I should build it myself.
What do I need to know?
What do I need to know?
Posted on 7/6/15 at 9:50 am to ccard257
Not a direct answer to your question but I went to the Oyster shop in Blue Ridge, GA a few years ago. They have a week long class for around $1,500 and you build your own bamboo rod. The rods in their shop looked like works of art. Pretty amazing. I don't fly fish but wanted to do the class and get into it but we decided to move back to LA and I never followed thru. Have a friend that did it and said it was very cool.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:31 am to BLM
Those Oysters are nice.
You guys are really making me want to go fly fishing reds bad. Pretty much just fly fish tiny trout in the Smokies/Blue Ridge mountains. Do hit up some of the trophy stuff occassionally around here. Have on occassion hit up some lakes. Haven't done anything on the coast, really want to thanks to you bastards.
Edit: If you are interested in fishing the Smokies and the surrounding area. Little River Outfitters has a messageboard that is a fantastic resource. They also have guides and schools for tying/fishing.
You guys are really making me want to go fly fishing reds bad. Pretty much just fly fish tiny trout in the Smokies/Blue Ridge mountains. Do hit up some of the trophy stuff occassionally around here. Have on occassion hit up some lakes. Haven't done anything on the coast, really want to thanks to you bastards.
Edit: If you are interested in fishing the Smokies and the surrounding area. Little River Outfitters has a messageboard that is a fantastic resource. They also have guides and schools for tying/fishing.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:40 am to ccard257
On the first page BVDD answered a quick question I had about rod building.
A fantastic forum and resource is paflyfish.com. I came across this when I lived in PA for a bit - it obviously won't help you with locations and such but there is great, searchable conversation there on tying, building, gear, etc...
A fantastic forum and resource is paflyfish.com. I came across this when I lived in PA for a bit - it obviously won't help you with locations and such but there is great, searchable conversation there on tying, building, gear, etc...
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:25 am to BLM
My pops has an Oyster. Never asked to use it and never will (above my pay grade), but it looks awesome.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:31 am to AubieALUMdvm
quote:
went striper fishing off the coast of Maine this weekend. I missed a couple when I did a rod set and am wondering if this strip set would have helped
Strip striking is important.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:16 pm to ccard257
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Any rod-builders on here?
I've built a bunch but it's been a little while.
It is not hard at all IF you have the correct equipment. A rod turner and a motor are not necessary but help tremendously.
I will tell you that your 1st one will look like crap. The 2nd will look much better but still isn't great. The 3rd one is where it looks like you know what you're doing.
This book is a tremendous resource:
Advanced Custom Rod building.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 2:52 pm to bbvdd
I got sent to Springfield, Missouri for work two or three years ago. I was there for several weeks, so started looking around for something to do outdoors. The internet told me there was one small stream with a wild population of rainbows. I'd never fly fished in my life, other than once or twice for bluegill in a farm pond. But, I headed over to Bass Pro, bought some basic gear, and headed out. I think I caught 5 or 6 of these glorious bastards that day. It was fun to try something new, even if they were small.
It was fun to try something new, even if they were small. This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 7/6/15 at 3:08 pm to bbvdd
Thanks! sounds like I should maybe do a couple el-cheapo budget builds before I try to go all in.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 3:13 pm to ccard257
What blank are you going with? I have been using a blue halo 3wt lately and really like the rod. Their 3wt blanks are about $140
Posted on 7/6/15 at 3:36 pm to Barf
I haven't made a decision yet but the blue halo was one of the ones I have looked at. Glad to hear you like it.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 3:50 pm to ccard257
Dang, their 3 wt blank is only $100.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 4:53 pm to Barf
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I guess with a rod set you at least you're already half way to making a second cast after missing the fish
Seriously though, strip strike. Learn how to set the hook. Many many thousands of hours on a skiff disagree with strip striking not being necessary. There is a reason trout guys come down and blow hook sets the first day of fishing our bulls.
Sure, you might get away without strip striking, but one day you will lose that dirty thirty by trout lifting like a girl scout.
A fun thing to try is tie your tippet off to a scale and pull on it with your rod. I did this with a 9 weight recently and with a rod set, or trout lift, I couldn't generate more than about 3-4 pounds of pressure. Maybe 5 pounds but I felt like any more set and the rod was going to snap. With a low angle and slowly putting pressure, like I was fighting a fish with the bend in the rod butt, I could only pull about 10 pounds. Our heavy forward taper fly lines have a ton of stretch. Combine that with the modern fast action rods, strip strikes becomes all that more important. Unless of course you have a one piece H2 or zenith that you can yank on without it blowing up.
Best advice of the thread.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 5:16 pm to DeboseKnows
I didn't see it stated but with a strip strike, if you miss the hook set on a strip set the bait is still in front of the fish where as on a rod set the fly is out of the water.
I'm in the strip set crowd.
I'm in the strip set crowd.
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