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Posted on 10/20/12 at 3:47 pm to El Josey Wales
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Do you pet him and stuff like that ?
The first couple of weeks you "pet" them a lot, but it's just to get them accustomed to being touched and handled. They get used to people, but they're never pets.
Posted on 10/20/12 at 5:44 pm to Teague
That is absolutely badass. How often/long does it take for training to really take effect if you're picking up a brand new bird like this guy?
How did you "acquire" him if I might ask?
Big birds like that are amazing to watch, especially in action. There are some gopro type videos of goshawks flying that are just "woah" and I bet this bird is amazing to see in action. Does the bird follow you from above, then dive on what you flush?
Posted on 10/20/12 at 8:23 pm to Teague
Hey Teague....I'd love to see that bird work...and I'm in your neck of the woods!
Posted on 10/20/12 at 8:45 pm to NASA_ISS_Tiger
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Hey Teague....I'd love to see that bird work...and I'm in your neck of the woods!
Teague done made it plain that you'll have to beagle, water mocs and all...
Posted on 10/20/12 at 8:58 pm to Teague
Great video! Keep them coming please. 
I showed my wife and in her best N. Alabama accent she said, "That guys got that bird trained just like I've got you trained." And then she walked off.
I showed my wife and in her best N. Alabama accent she said, "That guys got that bird trained just like I've got you trained." And then she walked off.
Posted on 10/20/12 at 10:33 pm to BFIV
Well I don't know what "beagling" is...but I've met my fair share of mocs...and I've won every battle. Not skeered.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 9:15 am to AUin02
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How often/long does it take for training to really take effect if you're picking up a brand new bird like this guy?
How did you "acquire" him if I might ask?
Big birds like that are amazing to watch, especially in action. There are some gopro type videos of goshawks flying that are just "woah" and I bet this bird is amazing to see in action. Does the bird follow you from above, then dive on what you flush?
Thanks!
Apprentices are required to trap their birds from the wild and, in most states, are only allowed to have red tails, kestrels, or red shouldered hawks. Once you become a general or master falconer, you're allowed the option of more species and you're allowed to purchase captive bred raptors.
A red tail is usually ready to take hunting 3-4 weeks after trapping. There are still a lot of details that they get better and better at as time passes, but they can be out hunting in that time.
The first week of training is mostly "manning" which is basically just getting him used to people. So, you spend as much time as possible each day just holding him on the glove. During this time you also start trying to get them to eat from the glove. Most of them are kind of reluctant to do this and it may take a few days. Once they do that, you move on to jumping and flying to the glove for the food. This starts inside on a short leash and progresses outdoors once he's flying longer distances. The outside part usually happens in the 2nd week.
Once he's responding quickly and flying long distances, you introduce him to the lure. The lure is basically a safety net used to call the hawk back. You teach them they get a full meal any time the lure is out and they learn to respond to it immediately. So, if the hawk won't come to the glove for whatever reason, or they're in some dangerous situation, you can get it out and quickly get the bird down. Most people also use the lure as a reward for hunting well at the end of a hunt where no game was caught.
As far as following from above, that's really more of a falcon thing. Red tails are usually hunted from a perch in a tree. You walk and they fly from one tree to the next with you, watching for game. They will occasionally catch game while soaring above you and some people, especially out west where there are less trees, do hunt them this way. They can also be hunted from tall perches carried by the hunter in fields where there are no trees. This method is common with harris hawks, but it can work with red tails as well.
This post was edited on 12/14/12 at 8:24 am
Posted on 10/21/12 at 9:18 am to NASA_ISS_Tiger
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Hey Teague....I'd love to see that bird work...and I'm in your neck of the woods!
Aren't you the guy I talked to about it last year? I've been trying to remember who that was. Anyway, yeah, you can come. Hopefully this bird will be ready to fly in a week or so. I'll hit you up when he's ready. This place doesn't have PM's does it?
Posted on 10/21/12 at 2:22 pm to Teague
Teague, how did you catch the hawk? This would be really cool to try. How do you acquire one of these licenses? I would like to give it a try some day. We have tons of hawks in Northeast LA along the MS river. Also, what's the best hunt you have ever had? Amount of game you have caught?
Posted on 10/21/12 at 2:38 pm to Teague
Yeah I talked to you right after you caught this one.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 3:52 pm to Teague
Thanks for the great response to my questions.
It's too bad my work schedule doesn't let me be off on the actual weekends, the drive up from Birmingham wouldn't be much of a deal and I'd happily flush game in exchange for the opportunity to photograph him in action.
It's too bad my work schedule doesn't let me be off on the actual weekends, the drive up from Birmingham wouldn't be much of a deal and I'd happily flush game in exchange for the opportunity to photograph him in action.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 4:10 pm to AUin02
If you ever make it to the North St. Tammany area in LA let me know. I have a ranch we can hunt him on.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:04 pm to tigersaint07
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Teague, how did you catch the hawk? This would be really cool to try. How do you acquire one of these licenses? I would like to give it a try some day. We have tons of hawks in Northeast LA along the MS river. Also, what's the best hunt you have ever had? Amount of game you have caught?
There are various ways to catch them. As I've mentioned before on here, and gotten flamed for it, I'd rather not put it on a public forum that doesn't pertain to falconry. You can easily find how it's done on the internet, if you're searching for it. I just don't want to put it here where any joe blow can happen upon it.
Acquiring a license...... Basically, you have to convince another falconer to sponsor you for your two year apprenticeship. They have to sign some paperwork. Then you have to pass a written exam, and have your facilities and equipment inspected. Then you'll be given a permit that allows you to trap a bird. You can only have one hawk at a time during your apprenticeship and you're allowed one replacement per year if something happens to that one.
Best hunt I've ever had? One rabbit.
I only have one season under my belt and neither I nor my hawk did particularly well. The best hunt I've ever been on, before I was an apprentice, we killed 3 rabbits and chased a few more. This post was edited on 10/21/12 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 10/21/12 at 6:10 pm to GREENHEAD22
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If you ever make it to the North St. Tammany area in LA let me know. I have a ranch we can hunt him on.
Will do. Always looking for places to hunt.
Posted on 10/22/12 at 7:00 pm to Teague
Another video from today. It's basically the same as the last one I posted. He kept wanting to land on my bare arm and his talons are needle sharp. You can see my evasive maneuver when he gets close.
Another video that looks about like the other one.
Another video that looks about like the other one.
This post was edited on 10/22/12 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 10/23/12 at 12:40 am to Teague
damn thats awesome. this thread causes my first post on the OB. it makes me want to do some research into this and do it myself.
is it hard to get to the point to where your able to take a bird out solo and hunt with it?
Posted on 10/23/12 at 6:38 am to hawgfaninc
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is it hard to get to the point to where your able to take a bird out solo and hunt with it?
You mean training-wise? Or legal-wise?
Either way, it's the same answer - usually 3-4 weeks from trap date. Once the bird is ready to go, you can take it out hunting whenever you want. Your sponsor doesn't need to be with you, although he might want to go with you to show you the ropes in the beginning. Your sponsor is really just your source of information and guidance.
The longest wait is from when you decide you want to do it and time to trap your first hawk. If you do decide you'd like to try it, now is the time of year you should get started. That will give you a hunting season to schmooze it up with local falconers and find someone willing to sponsor you. Then you'll have the spring and summer to get all the paperwork done and a mews (hawk cage/building) built.
This post was edited on 10/23/12 at 6:40 am
Posted on 10/23/12 at 8:18 am to Teague
Do they ever lose they battle? Do they get killed often by the prey? Obviously a rabbit wouldnt be much of a threat, but snakes? And the you tube someone posted the other day had them going after crazy huge stuff, what all are they capable of killing?
Posted on 10/23/12 at 8:27 am to Teague
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