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re: Talk me out of getting a Chevy/GMC
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:11 am to Wtodd
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:11 am to Wtodd
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So did everyone on Wall St...you still have a 401, mortgage, credit cards? Thought so
Not even close to the same thing. I choose not support GM or Dodge because of their failing business model and their inability to create a product that can sustain a profit. Having to steal from my family and yours, I'm not a fan.
For the record, neither of my banks, my 401k, my mortgage or my credit cards were bailed out.
You're a fan of GM, great, enjoy. They got the last dollar out of me, willingly.
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:24 am to slacker130
So let's take business from them so we can bail them out again. 
Posted on 3/15/17 at 11:54 am to slacker130
In my little bit of research it appears the taxpayer ultimately gave GM about 10billion. Must be nice to be given such a huge windfall. Wonder how Ford feels about being left of the party?
2014 article
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GM has earned a stunning $22.6 billion since the dark days of the financial crisis, when the automaker was bailed out by the U.S. government. Taxpayers didn't fare nearly as well. They'd lost $10.6 billion by the time the U.S. Treasury department closed the books on the $49.5 billion bailout in December.
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GM's post-bankruptcy profitability is in stark contrast to the $100 billion it lost in the 4-1/2 years leading up to its filing. The bankruptcy helped it reach new labor agreements, and shed debt, non-productive factories and weak brands and dealerships.
2014 article
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:04 pm to Chuker
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Wonder how Ford feels about being left of the party?
Automotive blog Jalopnik broke down which automotive lending companies got the most help, and leading the way was Ford Credit, which borrowed $15.9 billion. GMAC, GM’s financing arm which provided auto loans beyond the GM family of vehicles, took $13.9 billion. BMW took $6.2 billion. Chrysler $4.9 billion and Toyota $4.6 billion
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Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:10 pm to maisweh
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leading the way was Ford Credit, which borrowed $15.9 billion.
Amazing people keep touting Ford didn't take shite
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:12 pm to Wtodd
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Amazing people keep touting Ford didn't take shite
that one commercial...
someone will be here before long defending that they took a few billion more than GM
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:22 pm to White Bear
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the AFM worries me on the GMs, otherwise I'd be GTG.
The new system is different than in years past. No oil consumption with these. Also you can eliminate this feature with a programmer.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:27 pm to maisweh
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someone will be here before long defending that they took a few billion more than GM
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:28 pm to 4WHLN
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Also you can eliminate this feature with a programmer.
OK I need to know why people would do this?
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:42 pm to Wtodd
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Ford didn't take shite
Ford didn't take any TARP money (bailout). They did get around 15bil in LOANS with interest from the gov.
don't try and pretend there isn't big difference.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:50 pm to maisweh
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maisweh
you left out a quote from your article
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. We realize the two transactions are quite different, and this loan was not a bailout.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 10:38 am to Ole Geauxt
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I do. But, I don't have a chevy that I would have paid twice for,, each to his own.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 8:06 pm to CarRamrod
So I got a 2015 LTZ today and couldn't be happier. Smooth, quiet, comfortable, and plenty of giddy up.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:16 pm to beHop
My 2017 Sierra has no gas cap, just like Ford has been doing since 2009, but for the life of me, I can't get gas to pump worth a shite.
I can almost never set the pump lock and walk away. I have to hold the damn thing just right which I frickin hate.
I can almost never set the pump lock and walk away. I have to hold the damn thing just right which I frickin hate.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:19 pm to Croacka
Thats odd. My ford was capless but never had a problem.
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:21 pm to beHop
I owned 2 fords before this one and never had an issue either
The gas "cap" on the gmc just looks and seems cheaper too. It's all plastic
The gas "cap" on the gmc just looks and seems cheaper too. It's all plastic
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:07 am to Wtodd
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OK I need to know why people would do this?
The active fuel management (AFM) or displacement on demand (DOD) as it's called is very hard on internal parts. For me it was the DOD lifters that are much larger than regular lifters and have a spring attached that wears out. Every time it goes into 4 cylinder mode that spring is compressed. Over time it wears out and breaks and then you have to take the heads off the motor to get to them. It's a very time consuming and expensive job.
I don't know about the 2nd generation of DOD/AFM but I know that the first iteration was very hard on lifters and oil consumption.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:33 am to Wtodd
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Also you can eliminate this feature with a programmer.
OK I need to know why people would do this?
The main reason I want it gone is due to the way this truck is programmed from the factory. Its a slug at times while the AFM is active and you're driving in traffic 25-30ish mph. It will cause the transmission to down shift as you are giving it more gas thus causing a rather rough shift and the RPM's to rise then drop quickly.
TLDR; its aggravating in traffic to only save you about 1 mph if your lucky.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:39 am to bapple
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bapple
Thanks for the info; I didn't know any of this. Hopefully my '15 won't be affected as much as previous models but time will tell.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:50 am to Wtodd
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Hopefully my '15 won't be affected as much as previous models but time will tell.
I'm not sure what specific changes were done to the DOD system in the newer LT motors but I imagine they tweaked a lot of the issues. If it weren't for the DOD systems in their LS motors, they would run as long as the old vortec 5.7 and 5.3s. The DOD added a layer of complexity that the LS motors really didn't need. If I drop another lifter I'll probably do a full DOD delete and get rid of the entire system. I have it electronically turned off right now but I'd prefer if all the plumbing were gone as well.
But again, this is all 1st generation DOD stuff. Everyone has yet to see if the 2nd iteration is as bad but I doubt it is.
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