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re: State Lawmaker wants to legislate Cajun Navy...
Posted on 8/28/16 at 8:50 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
Posted on 8/28/16 at 8:50 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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, that's all good, but understand it's more about government liability and desire to cover their assess in case something bad were to happen to a CN member trying to help
I would think this great state of our's would be able to set up a website to do just that when the need arises.
If they can't, well, we're back to the beginning, right?
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Posted on 8/28/16 at 8:53 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
Certainly there will be fees to get a license to fund the program. What if few sign up? Just let hundeds drown while deputies stand at the barricades turning away "illegal" volunteers? Better to let all those people die than suffer the consequences of a lawsuit. And how many lawsuits have been filed against rescuers since the flood?
Posted on 8/28/16 at 8:56 pm to QuietTiger
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I would think this great state of our's would be able to set up a website to do just that when the need arises.
If they can't, well, we're back to the beginning, right?
I think that is a great way of doing it
but I know the gubment would want some sort of training to accompany it, like they have for other permits... i.e. CCP course, or boater safety course for youngins
Could be a class, could be an online module, but for them to cover their arse, they would want to prove you had some kind of instruction
Sadly, that's just how they work
Posted on 8/28/16 at 8:59 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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Sadly, that's just how they work
Well, we've seen how the CN works w/o them so I'll be a fan of them for the foreseeable future.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 9:09 pm to QuietTiger
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Well, we've seen how the CN works w/o them so I'll be a fan of them for the foreseeable future.
We all are... it's truly a model of selflessness for every other American to try to live up to
Posted on 8/28/16 at 9:14 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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t's truly a model of selflessness for every other American to try to live up to
Amen Brother!
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Posted on 8/28/16 at 9:21 pm to QuietTiger
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QuietTiger
Posted on 8/28/16 at 9:24 pm to farad
Thank God there were no regulations and the cost of some kind of permits for all of the good those guys did. I get how some training would be beneficial, but it's not like anyone planned for this once-in-a-lifetime flood.
First thing I thought of was when FEMA wouldn't let Karl Malone help in Louisiana after Katrina
I guess it was OK for him to help in Mississippi because their weren't national network news crews on every block. Or, like in Baton Rouge, common sense ruled the day.
First thing I thought of was when FEMA wouldn't let Karl Malone help in Louisiana after Katrina
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'The Mailman' and his crew bulldoze through bureaucracy to help victims
By Tony Bertuca, USA TODAY
Karl "The Mailman" Malone is still delivering, no matter what the weather.
The former NBA all-star and a crew from his logging company in Arkansas spent two weeks in Pascagoula, Miss., hauling away debris left by Hurricane Katrina.
"Everything about this just felt right," Malone says. "My mom died two years ago, and in our last conversation, she told me that one day I would have to step up on a grand scale and help people. I knew this was it."
Malone, whose team cleared 114 lots, said he brought 18 vehicles to Pascagoula, including a backhoe, three bulldozers and several RVs for him and his crew.
"We were totally self-contained with our own food and everything," Malone says. "We didn't want to take even one bottle of water away from these people. When we told them we were doing this for free, they looked at us like we were crazy or something."
Malone, 42, an experienced truck driver and logger who was born in Bernice, La., spent 12 hours a day behind the wheel of his heavy machinery.
"We started every day at seven in the morning and didn't quit until we got it done," he says.
When Malone arrived, he says he ran into resistance from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and Army Corps of Engineers officials who said he wasn't authorized to bring his machinery into the area to clear private property.
"There was a lot of red tape, and I ain't got time for that," he says. "I found out that if you're going to do something good, just go ahead and do it."
Bob Anderson, a spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers, says FEMA and the corps by law could only allow approved contractors to clear debris and that only government agencies could work on "public rights of way." ...
I guess it was OK for him to help in Mississippi because their weren't national network news crews on every block. Or, like in Baton Rouge, common sense ruled the day.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 9:39 pm to farad
If you listen to JP it kind of makes sense. I'd love something to get around police barricades. I'm not paying for it though.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 9:53 pm to biohzrd
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The more mainstream the Cajun Navy tries to go with this, the more eyes that will be watching for the first screw up to force regulations and punishment on them.
of they were out there just to help others that wouldn't be a problem. It's all the attention whores on Facebook that brought this on
Posted on 8/28/16 at 10:52 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
Your momma should have swallowed. Damn nazi
Posted on 8/28/16 at 11:45 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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It's all the attention whores on Facebook that brought this on
In a nut shell. That's basically how I feel about it. I was out there along with others, and could care less about calling ourselves part of the Cajun Navy. Not trying to discredit anything anyone else did.
Posted on 8/28/16 at 11:52 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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Again, I understand the nervousness and distrust of the government, they deserve every bit of it, but signing a liability waver and maybe taking a 6hr class, so you can access those most in desperate need seems highly reasonable
That's bullshite. Being granted permission by the government to volunteer is asinine.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:15 am to TheArrogantCorndog
Here's some thoughts after a 12 pack
1) government is already responsible for building a wall between east and west bound lanes of I12 which contributed to many homes flooding that may not have flooded if a wall wasn't holding all the water back, so your idea of government liability is already shot to hell.
2) in a situation that arises quickly, waiting for the bureaucracy to work its way up the chain and then back down causes a huge delay which can result in significant amount of persons being left stranded.
3) if you want a waiver liability, simply have the individuals going into restricted areas signs a waiver of liability form. This is much easier and still provides protection for the government.
4) The bigger problem being overlooked is that the government that you are so willing to try and protect wasn't/isn't capable of providing the quick resources needed to evacuate people from the areas affected.
5) Last but not least, people will help people. That's simply a way of life here. Individuals can quickly head to an area of need and start helping out long before government resources can. Burdens shouldn't be placed on them, but yet a system to help them out by providing fuel, communication and support from state and local officials should be implemented.
1) government is already responsible for building a wall between east and west bound lanes of I12 which contributed to many homes flooding that may not have flooded if a wall wasn't holding all the water back, so your idea of government liability is already shot to hell.
2) in a situation that arises quickly, waiting for the bureaucracy to work its way up the chain and then back down causes a huge delay which can result in significant amount of persons being left stranded.
3) if you want a waiver liability, simply have the individuals going into restricted areas signs a waiver of liability form. This is much easier and still provides protection for the government.
4) The bigger problem being overlooked is that the government that you are so willing to try and protect wasn't/isn't capable of providing the quick resources needed to evacuate people from the areas affected.
5) Last but not least, people will help people. That's simply a way of life here. Individuals can quickly head to an area of need and start helping out long before government resources can. Burdens shouldn't be placed on them, but yet a system to help them out by providing fuel, communication and support from state and local officials should be implemented.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 6:52 am to TheArrogantCorndog
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Again, I understand the nervousness and distrust of the government, they deserve every bit of it, but signing a liability waver and maybe taking a 6hr class, so you can access those most in desperate need seems highly reasonable
As a concealed carry instructor, I happen to know how long it takes for a process to be completed even after a "reasonable" full-day concealed carry class. I've had students ready and willing to start carrying that have had to wait 3 months for their permits to arrive, despite having completed the required training.
I'm not saying the Cajun Navy permitting is the same scenario, but if you want to see something be run slowly and with little efficiency, hand it over to Big Daddy government and then wait in line behind the 1000s of other people wanting to do the same thing.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 6:58 am to LSUTigahs13
I was surprised at how many people I saw doing it without a life jacket in their boat. Or running through unknown stuff with no kill switch attached....
but then again.....some people.. well nevermind
one launch site I observed a law enforcement person that was there - refused to let 2 boats launch and go "fetch" people - because they had no life jackets.
but then again.....some people.. well nevermind
one launch site I observed a law enforcement person that was there - refused to let 2 boats launch and go "fetch" people - because they had no life jackets.
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 7:00 am
Posted on 8/29/16 at 8:45 am to choupiquesushi
Some people did what they did with what they had.
No time to take a training course, buy a life jacket, etc...
In times of need, heroes take action. They don't wait for others to tell them.
They don't need law enforcement or government officials.
I applaud them for risking their lives to help others.
There's no other way to look at it..
No time to take a training course, buy a life jacket, etc...
In times of need, heroes take action. They don't wait for others to tell them.
They don't need law enforcement or government officials.
I applaud them for risking their lives to help others.
There's no other way to look at it..
Posted on 8/29/16 at 8:46 am to Cadello
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Some people did what they did with what they had.
No time to take a training course, buy a life jacket, etc.
if they own a boat it should already have life jackets..
rescuing or fetching people without life jackets running through unknown waters with lots of debris was putting many people in far more danger than they were already in.
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 8:48 am
Posted on 8/29/16 at 8:50 am to farad
The danger here is - when you get people used to just ignoring stupid laws like this, they become conditioned to it and may start ignoring some good laws.
It's a gateway activity, like going to the cathouse that first time. Gets easier and easier after that (so I've been led to believe.)
The day that a person is arrested and prosecuted - in this state - for rescuing someone will be beginning of the end for that sheriff, police chief and/or District Attorney.
It's a gateway activity, like going to the cathouse that first time. Gets easier and easier after that (so I've been led to believe.)
The day that a person is arrested and prosecuted - in this state - for rescuing someone will be beginning of the end for that sheriff, police chief and/or District Attorney.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 9:14 pm to choupiquesushi
Some of those people were about to die. How much more danger could they have been in?
I will never understand some of you. Ever.
I would have been jumping for joy to be rescued.
You saying you would have had to inspect the boat before you got in?
I will never understand some of you. Ever.
I would have been jumping for joy to be rescued.
You saying you would have had to inspect the boat before you got in?
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