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Will Cover
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Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2007
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Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
Only to be used for concealment.

Pros: Safety is not needed due to double (corrected, made an initial typing mistake) action.

Cons: Harder to hold target? But then again, it should be spray and pray for intended recipient.

Thoughts?

Smith & Wesson M&P BODYGUARD® 380
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H.M. Murdock
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Member since Feb 2013
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
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Pros: Safety is not needed due to single action.


Uh???


Will Cover
Tennessee Fan
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2007
32452 posts

re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
I've been told that the State Police have been issued this hand gun and they are trained to leave the safety off.


Hammertime
UNO Fan
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
The Bodyguard sucks. I haven't ever seen one person shoot it well. Even people that practice with it don't shoot it well. Trigger pull is about 4ft long and grainy. Reset is about 3ft long. The hammer is distracting. It shoots .380


Btw, you've got your SA and DA safety thing mixed up. DA has a harder pull. I do not know any state troopers who carry a Bodyguard
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dnm3305
LSU Fan
Member since Feb 2009
11340 posts

re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
The safety isnt needed for any defensive gun period, so not sure what your point is.


H.M. Murdock
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
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Member since Feb 2013
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
Don't know who told you that but its a bit...dumb.

Single action, like a 1911, amounts to a very crisp and light trigger. One you would like a safety for.

Double action is pulling the hammer back and then letting the hammer fall. So, its naturally a heavier trigger pull.

The bodyguard has a trigger safety I believe??


H.M. Murdock
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
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Member since Feb 2013
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
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The safety isnt needed for any defensive gun period, so not sure what your point is.


Thats a bit ridiculous. I'm not carrying a 1911 cocked without thumb safety engaged.


swanny297
LSU Fan
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Member since Oct 2013
1994 posts

re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
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Thats a bit ridiculous
actually it isn't, most that carry daily don't conceal a 1911 and most prefer no safety, shield, glock, xds all good choices - I would step up to a 9mm single stack or low round double stack (weight) for conceal carry and stay away from the bodyguard.


H.M. Murdock
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
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a 1911 and most prefer no safety,


Seriously, stop.


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bapple
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Member since Oct 2010
9925 posts

re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
Having a tough time seeing the point you're making.

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Pros: Safety is not needed due to single action.


Single action is a shorter and softer trigger pull. If you're gun is single action only, aka a 1911, I would use the thumb safety. If you don't train with the thumb safety every single time you use the gun though, I wouldn't buy a carry gun with a safety.

All quality holsters cover the trigger guard of your handgun. If you see a holster that does not cover the trigger, it's a bad holster and shouldn't be used. Besides that, there's no need for the extra step of the safety.

Shotguns and rifles have safeties because the trigger is always exposed. Not the case with a holstered handgun.

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Cons: Harder to hold target?


It's harder to be accurate with a double-action-only hammer-fired gun due to the long trigger pull but there are plenty of double action striker-fired guns that have great triggers.

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But then again, it should be spray and pray for intended recipient.


This isn't true in the slightest. You try your best to hit what you're shooting at. You're responsible for everything that leaves that barrel.

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Smith & Wesson M&P BODYGUARD® 380


If you insist on getting a pocket carry 380, I would suggest the Kahr CW380 over this one about 1000 times.


dnm3305
LSU Fan
Member since Feb 2009
11340 posts

re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
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Thats a bit ridiculous. I'm not carrying a 1911 cocked without thumb safety engaged


Well of course not, which is why a 1911 is about no.57 on the list of optimum conceal carry pistols. A Glock 19 doesnt have a safety, would you not carry it because of that?


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slinger1317
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
Striker fired beats hammer fired hands down, especially for CC


Gaston
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
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Striker fired beats hammer fired hands down, especially for CC


I don't think this is true. Having a hammer, and second strike capability makes my HK LEM a safer platform to use IMO than a striker fired weapon. Strikers are cheaper, but IDGAF about that when it comes to something like a self defense weapon.


nvcowboyfan
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James Turner Street, Birmingham,UK
Member since Nov 2007
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
If you want a small .380 for pocket carry the Ruger LCPc has a very nice trigger and no safety. I personally don't like a defensive gun with a safety but that is just my preference


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BM7133
LSU Fan
Raceland, LA
Member since Feb 2006
1004 posts

re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
I have had a bodyguard and sold it. Didnt get another .380 until the I handled a cw380 from Kahr. It allears that bapple and I have similiar taste in guns to an extent.


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bapple
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Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
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Having a hammer, and second strike capability makes my HK LEM a safer platform to use IMO than a striker fired weapon


Unless you're limited to only shooting ammo with hard primers, second strike capability doesn't matter that much. The only time I've seen light strikes with any of my striker guns was from hard primers (steel cased ammo) or a dud (failure to ignite after multiple strikes).


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ShreveportHog94
Arkansas Fan
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
Get a hi-point if you're going to conceal. That way when the bad guy has shot you anyway, you won't be out a ton of cash.


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TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
4239 posts

re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
This thread and the original post have a lot of different things going on, most of which have already been addressed. My question to the original poster is what does this statement mean?
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Cons: Harder to hold target? But then again, it should be spray and pray for intended recipient.


I don't want to jump to conclusions so can you clarify what you're trying to say?


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TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
NM. Double post.
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dawg23
Mississippi St. Fan
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
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re: Single action vs. double action for concealed carry?
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Having a hammer, and second strike capability makes my HK LEM a safer platform to use IMO than a striker fired weapon.
People with defensive handgun training (beyond the 9 hour La. handgun permit classes and/or the NRA Basic Pistol "soccer mom" classes) do not use any sort of "second strike" capability. That's more of a Madison Ave. marketing spiel than anything else.

TRB/tap-rack-bang is taught at virtually every top-tier training school. This guy knows a little bit about the subject: LINK


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