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Self defense round, which do you choose?
Posted on 3/19/16 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 3/19/16 at 7:46 pm
This is meant to be a choice between a heavy, slower round or a faster lighter round...and the introduction to different ballistic options inside one of those data points. I've included specific example for my pistol as points of reference. These are numbers off of Underwood's site. LINK
A) 90 grain Xtreme Defender
Muzzle Velocity: 1700 fps
Muzzle Energy: 578 ft. lbs.
Penetration: 17.5 inches
B) 115 Grain Nosler JHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1550 fps
Muzzle Energy: 614 ft. lbs.
C) 124 Grain Nosler JHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1475 fps
Muzzle Energy: 604 ft. lbs.
D) 124 Grain XTP JHP
utilize Hornady’s eXtreme Terminal Performance (XTP) bullets which are designed for deep terminal penetration, great accuracy and controlled expansion.
Same numbers as C
E) 125 Grain Bonded JHP
Speer bonded bullets which employ an exclusive Uni-Cor process where they bond the jacket to the core one molecule at a time. This essentially eliminates core-jacket separation, maximizes weight retention, and allows for unparalleled penetration and controlled yet fatal expansion.
Same numbers as C.
F) 147 Grain XTP JHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 510 ft. lbs.
A) costs twice as much as the others. I'm leaning to one of the 124/5 grain options because the FMJ practice ammo numbers are the same...and it seems smarter to practice with what you carry.
A) 90 grain Xtreme Defender
Muzzle Velocity: 1700 fps
Muzzle Energy: 578 ft. lbs.
Penetration: 17.5 inches
B) 115 Grain Nosler JHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1550 fps
Muzzle Energy: 614 ft. lbs.
C) 124 Grain Nosler JHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1475 fps
Muzzle Energy: 604 ft. lbs.
D) 124 Grain XTP JHP
utilize Hornady’s eXtreme Terminal Performance (XTP) bullets which are designed for deep terminal penetration, great accuracy and controlled expansion.
Same numbers as C
E) 125 Grain Bonded JHP
Speer bonded bullets which employ an exclusive Uni-Cor process where they bond the jacket to the core one molecule at a time. This essentially eliminates core-jacket separation, maximizes weight retention, and allows for unparalleled penetration and controlled yet fatal expansion.
Same numbers as C.
F) 147 Grain XTP JHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps
Muzzle Energy: 510 ft. lbs.
A) costs twice as much as the others. I'm leaning to one of the 124/5 grain options because the FMJ practice ammo numbers are the same...and it seems smarter to practice with what you carry.
This post was edited on 3/19/16 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 3/19/16 at 8:12 pm to Gaston
Mine loaded with 124 gr fmj always.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 8:15 pm to Easternrio
FMJ is a horrible SD round unless you are carrying a 380 or smaller
Posted on 3/19/16 at 8:16 pm to Easternrio
My backup magazine is FMJ, but the 12+1 in the gun is Speer gold dot JHP at the moment. The company I referenced uses that projectile in one of their offerings.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 8:24 pm to Carson123987
I've never shot 147gr out of my pistol. Is there a difference in recoil, flash or report?
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:03 pm to Bleeding purple
I use 135g Hornady Critical Duty
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:13 pm to Gaston
HST in all major calibers. 9mm are fine in both weights.
Speed Gold Dot and Winchester PDX are close behind.
Speed Gold Dot and Winchester PDX are close behind.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:13 pm to El Segundo Guy
Damn, $1.56 a bullet. I don't practice with self defense rounds though, and still not as expensive as A) in the OP.
This post was edited on 3/19/16 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:15 pm to El Segundo Guy
40 s&w Remington Golden Saber 165 grain
Real world data with this round:
146 shootings, 137 one shot stops
94% one shot stopping power percentage
Real world data with this round:
146 shootings, 137 one shot stops
94% one shot stopping power percentage
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:17 pm to Ace Midnight
The Underwood's I linked seem hotter than anything else I've seen. I shoot Speer right now though, when I don't buy bulk. I can't shoot a whole lot of rounds through my gun per range trip anyway, so I try to be fairly deliberate.
This post was edited on 3/19/16 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:20 pm to Gaston
I use Hornady Critical Defense, I've never heard, or read, a bad word about them.
They are 115 grain, but the +p really makes them come out screaming. The somewhat lacking penetration depth on the charts in the link Carson sent really don't bother me. The critical defense rounds are designed to mushroom out and grab as much tissue as possible. Makes a much bigger hole that way.
They are 115 grain, but the +p really makes them come out screaming. The somewhat lacking penetration depth on the charts in the link Carson sent really don't bother me. The critical defense rounds are designed to mushroom out and grab as much tissue as possible. Makes a much bigger hole that way.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:22 pm to Gaston
Personally it's nothing that I'd ever worry about. Any decent manufacturer today makes a dang good and reliable round. Worrying about 115, 119, 124, or 125 gr bullets are like fighting about whether a sig, glock, or HK is better.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:26 pm to baldona
Well I started the thread since ballistics were referenced so much in the 9 vs 40 thread. I tried to keep the discussion to one manufacturer and use the numbers and projectiles to open up the discussion.
Yea, frick it now.
ETA: HK is better.
Yea, frick it now.
ETA: HK is better.
This post was edited on 3/19/16 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:27 pm to Gaston
quote:
The Underwood's I linked seem hotter than anything else I've seen. I shoot Speer right now though, when I don't buy bulk. I can't shoot a whole lot of rounds through my gun per range trip anyway, so I try to be fairly deliberate.
Underwood makes some very hot rounds. They have a 40 s&w, 135 grains, 623 ft.lbs.
Buffalo Bore also makes hot rounds.
I own both a Sig and HK, and HK is better.
This post was edited on 3/19/16 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:42 pm to Gaston
Yeah that thread is my bad.... really was just looking for advice. Not a full war
Posted on 3/19/16 at 9:52 pm to Easternrio
quote:
Mine loaded with 124 gr fmj always.
Unless your intended target is always paper that is a poor choice.
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:03 pm to Gaston
Federal 45ACP Persinal Defense
165gr Hydroshok JHP
Remington 3" 00 Buckshot
165gr Hydroshok JHP
Remington 3" 00 Buckshot
This post was edited on 3/19/16 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 3/19/16 at 10:03 pm to ctiger69
quote:
Underwood makes some very hot rounds. They have a 40 s&w, 135 grains, 623 ft.lbs.
Buffalo Bore also makes hot rounds.
Not sure I've fired any of the Underwood offerings. I like Buffalo Bore.
But Federal, Winchester, Speer, and Cor-bon have gotten most of my ammo business over the years, especially pistol ammo.
This post was edited on 3/19/16 at 10:04 pm
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