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ruger redhawk discussion
Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:36 am
Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:36 am
specifically the "new" one chambered in .45 auto or colt.
i've had my 1911 for years and love it, and so does ms mack. however, she likes revolvers more so than autos because of the simplicity. she prefers to have a revolver stashed in the house for this reason. it would be really convenient to have 2 different guns both chambered for the same round in order to avoid the potential of a tragic mix-up if shtf.
it ships with 3 full-moon clips to be used with the .45 auto round. also, its advertised as a "half lug barrel". i'm not sure what this means and would appreciate some enlightenment.
opinions, pit falls?
tia
i've had my 1911 for years and love it, and so does ms mack. however, she likes revolvers more so than autos because of the simplicity. she prefers to have a revolver stashed in the house for this reason. it would be really convenient to have 2 different guns both chambered for the same round in order to avoid the potential of a tragic mix-up if shtf.
it ships with 3 full-moon clips to be used with the .45 auto round. also, its advertised as a "half lug barrel". i'm not sure what this means and would appreciate some enlightenment.
opinions, pit falls?
tia
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:47 am to mack the knife
the "lug" is the "second" barrel shaped piece under the actual barrel. You can have full, half, or no lug. I believe the only thing it helps with is adding weight up front.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:53 am to mack the knife
Although I will never say "no, dont buy a Ruger revolver" because they are all just so damn sexy and well made and I feel everyone should have multiple, a Glock 21 would be a better platform. If it's really about simplicity, then it doesnt get any easier than point and shoot with a Glock and there's no safety. It's the exact same scenario as a DA revolver except with more than double the firepower (13 rounds to 6) and easier reloading. Dropping a mag and putting another one in is always going to be easier than hitting the cylinder release and having to line up that moonclip with the cylinders. I just dont see the difference because BOTH will take ALOT of practice with if she wants to get efficient at reloading and I think a magazine would be alot easier to get comfortable with than moon clips.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 8:32 am to mack the knife
Mack,
I've got two 5 1/2" barreled RH's, one in 45 Colt and one in 44 Mag. Mine are older so have a slightly longer barrel and lack the clips. The RH is a HEAVY gun. The one you're looking at has a 4.2" barrel and weighs 44 oz. Of course, that weigh will really soften recoil, but she may, or may not, like the way it handles. In addition, the clips may be problematic in case a quick reload is needed. I'd be sure she's comfortable w/ a heavy gun AND is ok w/ the moon clips. Like everything Ruger, the RH is over engineered for strength and is a quality gun. It make a fine hog gun when teamed w/ some heavy loads such as Buffalo Bore. The "half lug barrel" is hte horizontal part under that barrel that extends part way down the barrel. It protects the ejector rod housing and add's weight to the barrel.
45 ACP/Colt RH
I've got two 5 1/2" barreled RH's, one in 45 Colt and one in 44 Mag. Mine are older so have a slightly longer barrel and lack the clips. The RH is a HEAVY gun. The one you're looking at has a 4.2" barrel and weighs 44 oz. Of course, that weigh will really soften recoil, but she may, or may not, like the way it handles. In addition, the clips may be problematic in case a quick reload is needed. I'd be sure she's comfortable w/ a heavy gun AND is ok w/ the moon clips. Like everything Ruger, the RH is over engineered for strength and is a quality gun. It make a fine hog gun when teamed w/ some heavy loads such as Buffalo Bore. The "half lug barrel" is hte horizontal part under that barrel that extends part way down the barrel. It protects the ejector rod housing and add's weight to the barrel.
45 ACP/Colt RH
Posted on 6/16/15 at 8:44 am to dnm3305
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a Glock 21 would be a better platform. If it's really about simplicity
The same could be said about any polymer semi auto 45 ACP handgun. I agree it's easier to handle in terms of shootability and has greater capacity but it sounds like his lady prefers revolvers.
But, if she only prefers them because she thinks she can't rack a slide, that's something that training can correct.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:47 am to bapple
I think the GP100 is a better option here. The Redhawk is an extremely big heavy chunk of iron and the triggers are pretty heavy on them.
However, they are fine arse guns. If she doesn't mind the size and trigger pull its a great choice for keeping in the house.
However, they are fine arse guns. If she doesn't mind the size and trigger pull its a great choice for keeping in the house.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:50 am to bapple
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But, if she only prefers them because she thinks she can't rack a slide, that's something that training can correct
That's really what I was getting at. It was mentioned that she wanted a revolver for simplicity and I was just making the case that neither is more simple than the other, in fact revolvers can be alot more complex when it comes to reloading. Both will take practice which is to your point. And Im not Glock only, it's just the most commonly associated polymer. I like Springfields personally.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:52 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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The Redhawk is an extremely big heavy chunk of iron and the triggers are pretty heavy on them.
I guess that's one positive that should be mentioned. It must have the recoil of a cap gun with that 45 ACP round considering it's 44 oz. I can def understand a woman being more drawn to that since the recoil would be almost nothing.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:52 am to bapple
She can rack a slide w/o problem but REALLY has probs w/ light weight gun recoil. Bcof this she has been relying on my .45 auto and a .22 she has, prefering the .22 despite my protest. She knows it is too anemic for what she keeps it for but its better than nothing.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:58 am to bapple
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But, if she only prefers them because she thinks she can't rack a slide, that's something that training can correct.
My daughter loves shooting my .45, but her favorite gun is my Dad's old .38 revolver. Her reasons are the same as the OP's wife.
Simplicity, and ease of operation. This is especially important for someone who is not a regular shooter.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:59 am to dnm3305
I'm not sure what my GP100 weighs but it isn't anywhere close to that, and with hot magnums the recoil is just starting to get snappy. A Redhawk with .45APC is probably like shooting a pellet gun.
I would get a .44 magnum and use .44 special for the lady self defense and .44 magnum for myself to shoot a deer with, but that's just my not very humble and always correct opinion.
To the earlier post, a revolver is infinitely simpler to operate than a semi auto. Point and pull the trigger. If it doesn't go bang, pull it again. Reloads with speed loads are a little more complicated than dropping a mag and sticking a new one in, but there's no slide to rack or slide release to worry about.
I would get a .44 magnum and use .44 special for the lady self defense and .44 magnum for myself to shoot a deer with, but that's just my not very humble and always correct opinion.
To the earlier post, a revolver is infinitely simpler to operate than a semi auto. Point and pull the trigger. If it doesn't go bang, pull it again. Reloads with speed loads are a little more complicated than dropping a mag and sticking a new one in, but there's no slide to rack or slide release to worry about.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:59 am to mack the knife
Mack, what kind of price are you seeing on that gun?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:03 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Reloads with speed loads are a little more complicated than dropping a mag and sticking a new one in, but there's no slide to rack or slide release to worry about.
A lot of women also don't like the ejection of the spent round, esp. when it goes down their shirt.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:09 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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To the earlier post, a revolver is infinitely simpler to operate than a semi auto. Point and pull the trigger. If it doesn't go bang, pull it again. Reloads with speed loads are a little more complicated than dropping a mag and sticking a new one in, but there's no slide to rack or slide release to worry about.
I'll give you that clearing a malfunction is one more step than pulling the trigger again on a DA revolver, but I think you by far make up for that slight disadvantage with much superior firepower and much faster reloading. They are both point and shoot so I dont really get that point. I think there's this misconception that if you buy a woman a revolver she doesnt have to practice with it, and all she has to do is point and shoot. If she's going to try to defend her life at home with a pistol over a 20 gauge pump shotgun to begin with, then she should be very competent with that pistol regardless of function. With that being said, if she will already be spending the necessary time to become competent with a revolver, you may as well get an auto and teach the very basics of it. It's not hard at all and any person can learn how to operate it properly and confidentally in only a few shooting sessions and can become good at it within 10 shooting sessions....shooting sessions she should be doing anyway regardless of firearm. I think it discredits a woman's ability by just assuming that they will pick up a revolver quicker. While a revolver may be easier to learn on, let's not just say that an auto is difficult. Theyre both easy. Just my opinion, which Im sure many disagree with.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:10 am to mack the knife
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:20 am to dnm3305
That's all well and good but in real life she probably isn't going through combat training with the semi.
Any functioning human can launch 6 out of a revolver.
Any functioning human can launch 6 out of a revolver.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:23 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Any functioning human can launch 6 out of a revolver.
Or 13 out of any semi auto. It's the same thing. Point and shoot. Bapple will back this, but it doesnt take much to show any person that has never even held a firearm before how to rack a slide properly.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:25 am to Vdrine
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If it doesn't have to be a double action this would be nice.
Those are awesome, but a SA revolver is way down on the list for efficient self defense weapons. They are some of the most beautiful guns ever made though.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:27 am to dnm3305
Unless the first one doesnt go off.
There's no debate here. A double action revolver has 3 interfaces: trigger, cylinder release, and ejector rod.
A semi has, at minimum, a trigger, slide, slide release, mag release, and magazine.
There's no debate here. A double action revolver has 3 interfaces: trigger, cylinder release, and ejector rod.
A semi has, at minimum, a trigger, slide, slide release, mag release, and magazine.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:27 am to mack the knife
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She can rack a slide w/o problem but REALLY has probs w/ light weight gun recoil
Then it sounds like your 1911 or the Redhawk is the way to go.
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