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Restoring barrel w/light pitting & rust -- 1939 Ithaca 12g Western Long Gun
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:17 pm
Tldr;How do I clean up this barrel as my grandfather's 80th b-day present?
My grandfather's 80th birthday is in 2 weeks, and he has owned this gun since he was a teenager. I know this is a little late to get done in the time frame. But I saw this gun today for the first time in roughly 15-18 years, and it's condition saddened me. I had no idea it was in this kind of shape. My grandfather keeps such good care of stuff normally that I'm a little confused by it.
The last time I saw it, my grandfather fired both barrels at once without giving an inch, at 65 years old. Tough old cookie. My cousin fired one barrel a few years ago when he was 20ish, and it spun him around in a circle. Sucker kicks like a mule.
It has kind of a neat/sad story. My understanding is the family pooled their money and bought the gun used as a birthday present for his cousin who was fighting in WW2. However, he didn't make it back, and since he had no brothers, and my pop was the closest male in the family in age, they gave it to him.
Also, my grandfather has had dementia for several years, but it has recently been confirmed as Alzheimer's, and it's progressing fairly rapidly. My grandmother has to dress him some days. I'm just happy he remembers his 6 month old great-grandson he has been bothering me for since I was 9. But I would like to do this as maybe the last gift he receives while still mostly cognizant.
All of that brings us to the gun itself. How would I go about doing a mild restoration on the barrel? The stock looks great, but as you can see everything else is a tad rough. If it would harm the value I don't want to do it. While this gun will never leave the family, and I will never shoot it because of my bad shoulder. I would still like it to stay in shooting shape, and for it to retain as much value as possible. The light rust you see on the barrel is also on the inside of the barrel and on the pin facing. But it's not as badly pitted on the inside as the outside. The gun also has a strange smell to it, kinda like acid and kinda like gun powder, moisture maybe?. Not sure if that helps or nor.
Edit: Does anyone know anything about Ithaca mark I need? Wondering if the dog was a custom mark that the family had put of the gun, or if it's standard for the model.
Also, the western long gun model, did that mean it came with a full choke from the factory?
My grandfather's 80th birthday is in 2 weeks, and he has owned this gun since he was a teenager. I know this is a little late to get done in the time frame. But I saw this gun today for the first time in roughly 15-18 years, and it's condition saddened me. I had no idea it was in this kind of shape. My grandfather keeps such good care of stuff normally that I'm a little confused by it.
The last time I saw it, my grandfather fired both barrels at once without giving an inch, at 65 years old. Tough old cookie. My cousin fired one barrel a few years ago when he was 20ish, and it spun him around in a circle. Sucker kicks like a mule.
It has kind of a neat/sad story. My understanding is the family pooled their money and bought the gun used as a birthday present for his cousin who was fighting in WW2. However, he didn't make it back, and since he had no brothers, and my pop was the closest male in the family in age, they gave it to him.
Also, my grandfather has had dementia for several years, but it has recently been confirmed as Alzheimer's, and it's progressing fairly rapidly. My grandmother has to dress him some days. I'm just happy he remembers his 6 month old great-grandson he has been bothering me for since I was 9. But I would like to do this as maybe the last gift he receives while still mostly cognizant.
All of that brings us to the gun itself. How would I go about doing a mild restoration on the barrel? The stock looks great, but as you can see everything else is a tad rough. If it would harm the value I don't want to do it. While this gun will never leave the family, and I will never shoot it because of my bad shoulder. I would still like it to stay in shooting shape, and for it to retain as much value as possible. The light rust you see on the barrel is also on the inside of the barrel and on the pin facing. But it's not as badly pitted on the inside as the outside. The gun also has a strange smell to it, kinda like acid and kinda like gun powder, moisture maybe?. Not sure if that helps or nor.
Edit: Does anyone know anything about Ithaca mark I need? Wondering if the dog was a custom mark that the family had put of the gun, or if it's standard for the model.
Also, the western long gun model, did that mean it came with a full choke from the factory?
This post was edited on 3/27/16 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:24 pm to VaBamaMan
Start with removing the barrels, and using a brass brush and gun oil, something like CLP and work the barrels over good. It will not cause damage and remove most of that rust.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:27 pm to wickowick
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This post was edited on 2/14/21 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:29 pm to wickowick
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Start with removing the barrels, and using a brass brush and gun oil, something like CLP and work the barrels over good. It will not cause damage and remove most of that rust.
Sounds good, I'll talk to my grandmother and see if I can sneak the gun away to work on it.
Would it be a waste of money to have an actual gunsmith work on it? This thing is almost 80 years old itself.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:30 pm to VaBamaMan
I doubt a real gunsmith is needed at this time.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:30 pm to MisterSenator
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MisterSenator
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:56 pm to VaBamaMan
I was given a "hardware gun" by a friend of mine. It was an old Crescent 16ga that had been in a gun sock since his uncle died about 15 years before. It was in deplorable condition. I gently cleaned it with very fine steel wool and penetrating oil. It took about 3 hours, but it came out nice. It has that grey patina that a gun made in 1920 should. I will shoot it occasionally for a few shots.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 9:16 pm to dwr353
Did a quick Google search. It it what I suspected. Made by Ithaca from about 1935 to 1946. Was a utility gun built toward the end of US doubles made in America. Not a collector but a solid shooter if still sound. Do not shoot steel in it. Built after the company discontinued the Lefever line. Cleaned up-worth about 200 to 250 in my opinion. Some of us have a thing for these guns. The 16ga doubles have a loyal following. I am afflicted with the 16 but also. Looks like a 12. Is this correct?
Posted on 3/27/16 at 9:26 pm to VaBamaMan
generally, when you see a gun in that shape that is owned by someone who generally takes care of their guns, it is because it was stored zipped in a gun case...and moisture and gunpowder residue turn to an acid, so that would explain the smell and rust
I wouldn't worry too much about the value, as side by sides are usually not worth a hell of a lot.
I would either try what wick is saying with the brass polish or just get some very fine steel wool...I have used very fine steel wool and oil before and it works fine. of course, you are not going to get the pits out and the bluing will come off no matter what you do. I would personally do that and then get it re-blued by a gunsmith.
also, you may want to just ask a gunsmith for recommendations to see what his thoughts are.
I wouldn't worry too much about the value, as side by sides are usually not worth a hell of a lot.
I would either try what wick is saying with the brass polish or just get some very fine steel wool...I have used very fine steel wool and oil before and it works fine. of course, you are not going to get the pits out and the bluing will come off no matter what you do. I would personally do that and then get it re-blued by a gunsmith.
also, you may want to just ask a gunsmith for recommendations to see what his thoughts are.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 9:33 pm to dwr353
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Looks like a 12. Is this correct?
Yarp.
Btw, it says it in the thread title.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 9:43 pm to Spankum
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I wouldn't worry too much about the value, as side by sides are usually not worth a hell of a lot.
What?
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:01 pm to Spankum
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I wouldn't worry too much about the value, as side by sides are usually not worth a hell of a lot.
Posted on 3/27/16 at 10:29 pm to VaBamaMan
At my age you forget things-what were we talking about?
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:15 am to Spankum
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it is because it was stored zipped in a gun case.
He has had it in the same zipped leather gun case for the better part of 60 years. Just started keeping it in a plastic case in the last year or so
The gun case needs worked over with oil too, it's gotten stiff in its old age too.
This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 12:18 am
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