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Raising a few cows for beef questions

Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:29 pm
Spin off from the other thread.

If you have about 5 acres at your house with another 12 next to it you could potentially use, how hard is it to keep a couple cows/ steers to raise for your own beef? I'm talking 1-4 head. Obviously have to have a good fence, but beyond that what all is involved? I'm obviously completely ignorant here?

ETA: Not looking to breed or anything. Just buy a cow/s, have it delivered, raise it, have someone slaughter it.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 1:31 pm
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12575 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:34 pm to
one steer would give you meat forever.. you might only need one if its just for your family.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20391 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:36 pm to
Its my father in laws property. So I'd split it between multiple families. I wasn't sure if cattle needed to be together like 2-3 or not. If I'm going to do 1, I figured might as well do 2-4 and sell them or for my larger family. Again, I'm absolutely clueless here.

ETA: Basically my question is he has about 5 fenced acres in Tennessee that's pasture, instead of mowing it how hard is it to throw some cow's on it to raise?
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 1:39 pm
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:43 pm to
And that could be done on just the five acres. If he becomes a pet though, you might not want to kill him.

As to getting a couple and combining the 12 acres to have 17, it's doable. Start small, maybe 2-3 cows and a bull.

You obviously need water 24/7, hay and feed in the winter, and vaccinate/worm at least once a year. To at least worm them, you need a catch pen as a way to crowd them so you can pour on wormer. To vaccinate you need a squeeze chute to hold them. You need a trailer to haul them, and a truck to pull it if you can't barter/charter rides to the sale or sell them off the farm.

In the end, it's rewarding if it truly interests you, but it has some upstart costs if your family or someone who trusts you with their equipment isn't already in the business.
Posted by pointdog33
Member since Jan 2012
2765 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:46 pm to
You'll need to have a 3-4. They are herd animals and won't do well alone on open property.

If your feeding them out for slaughter, you'll need to acclimate them to grain or you'll cause acidosis.

Start out with free choice hay and 1-2 lbs of grain a day for the first 2 weeks. Then gradually increase the grain to 10-12lbs a day.

Should be finished by 90-120 days.
Posted by 34venture
Buffer Zone
Member since Mar 2010
11369 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:49 pm to
You would come out a lot cheaper if you just bought a butchered calf from a slaughter house.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20391 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

You would come out a lot cheaper if you just bought a butchered calf from a slaughter house.


Ha well I figured that. Same as deer hunting. I wasn't sure how hard it would be to go organic or feed them something different to make a better beef than your standard grocery.

Well one of my thoughts was I could probably easily find 6 families to chip in the costs if I did all the work for 2-4 head. Maybe butcher two a year or however it works.

Plus then he doesn't have to mow it. Just curious how it works. Seems doable enough. Got plenty of friends with land, don't they make portable catch pens? Could most likely find one to borrow for a day.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12575 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 1:57 pm to
We still mow our place. It allows the grass(in our case, burmuda) to grow better and the cows seem to like it more.
Posted by pointdog33
Member since Jan 2012
2765 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:00 pm to
With the prices as low as they are right now, you could feed one out and probably come out for cheaper.

Dominique's Livestock Market- Market Report as of November 7-8, 2016
Slaughter Cows: $.40-$.59
Slaughter Bulls: $.66-$.75
Feeder Steers 200-300 lbs: $1.10-$1.75
Feeder Steers 300-400 lbs: $1.05-$1.70
Feeder Steers 400-500 lbs: $.87-$1.40
Feeder Steers 500-600 lbs: $.80-$1.34
Feeder Steers 600-700 lbs: $.79-$1.15
Feeder Heifer 200-300 lbs: $1.00-$1.50
Feeder Heifer 300-400 lbs: $.90-$1.45
Feeder Heifer 400-500 lbs: $.85-$1.37
Feeder Heifer 500-600 lbs: $.80-$1.25
Feeder Heifer 600-700 lbs: $.75-$1.15
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 2:08 pm
Posted by Polar Pop
Member since Feb 2012
10748 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:04 pm to
Yall are going to get Clyde Tiptons keyboard locked up with all these cattle threads today
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:10 pm to
We bought a whole grass fed beef cow. It was $2,800. It came wrapped, labeled and ready for the freezer. Somewhere in the 400 pound range.

My wife kept a few cows for a short time, it's simply not worth the hassle if you're just going to pay someone to slaughter the animal. We slaughtered one ourselves and gave the other two away to some friends. Never again.

Edit- I lied. I double checked and it closer to 370 pounds. A little over $7.50/lb.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 2:22 pm
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38725 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

Yall are going to get Clyde Tiptons keyboard locked up with all these cattle threads today




This is better than the day there were 7 different interstate threads on the OT at the same time.
Posted by pointdog33
Member since Jan 2012
2765 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:23 pm to
When you buy whole from someone who finishes cattle as a business, you're getting it at full retail.

The actual cost is much lower. From my calculations you could do it in the 2.50/lb range right now.

That's taking a 600lb steer to 900lbs with a 60% yield.
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

The actual cost is much lower. From my calculations you could do it in the 2.50/lb range right now.


Is this number if you handle the butchering yourself? It started to go sideways for us when we started looking to hire a USDA approved butcher to slaughter and package the animal.

We ended up doing it on our own but we didn't have the best setup so it was a bit frustrating.

Posted by pointdog33
Member since Jan 2012
2765 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

USDA approved butcher to slaughter and package the animal


You only need USDA inspection if you cross state lines for retail purposes.

It should cost around .45lb hanging weight plus a kill fee.
Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

It should cost around .45lb hanging weight plus a kill fee.


If I remember correctly the best price we found was in Kentwood and it was a $50 kill fee, they keep the hide, and .55 cents/pound to cut and double wrap.

Damnit. In hindsight it wasn't that bad. I'll have to ask my wife why we didn't pay someone. There must have been another reason.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 2:45 pm
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
21909 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:44 pm to
I think the idea is to get a bull and a few cows and use the calfs for slaughter. On the 12 acres you would put the bull and 3 cows, when the calfs are old enough you put them on the 5 acres and feed them out till slaughter time.

Is that how it works Clyde?
Posted by pointdog33
Member since Jan 2012
2765 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:52 pm to
When you bought your cow, the farmer sold you the whole live animal on the hoof as a ready to slaughter product, and you took it and slaughtered it or he delivered to the slaughterhouse?

Posted by Barf
EBR
Member since Feb 2015
3727 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:01 pm to
The last cow we ordered from somewhere and my wife drove and picked up. The animal had been killed, hung to age, and wrapped up into labeled packages. It was about 370 pounds in total and cost $2,800. As far as I know it was all done on sight. I'll try and get the name of the farm.

The live cows my wife bought from one of her clients. I don't know how much she paid. I know I got a bill every month to feed the stupid things but I had very little to do with them until it was time to kill one. For whatever reason we opted to do the work our selves. I've handled a lot of big game and she's a veterinarian so we thought we had it under control. We did not.
Posted by tigerbass
SE Louisiana hill country
Member since Sep 2016
323 posts
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:23 pm to
Do it yearly and the most important is FLAVOR. It's hard to go back to cold storage bought beef when you get used to freash. Think we are on name deep freeze #20 lol. We do it on 2.5 acres with a small creep feeder and hay during the winter but still need to clip the field to tender the grass.
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