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Question about silencers...

Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:24 pm
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35584 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:24 pm
So after Hillary’s comments about the Las Vegas shooter and silencers, would a silencer have made that much of a difference?

I know they’re not accurately portrayed in the movies. They just lower the decibels slightly enough that hearing protection may not be needed. But when you’re that far away, 32nd floor of a building and shooting across the street, would anyone be able to hear the gun going off?

ETA: I’m asking because of my lack of silencer knowledge. Not taking a political stance by no means. The only experience I have is from YouTube videos.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 10:26 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:27 pm to
They're still pretty loud. Plus you can't typically fire rapidly for long periods of time before doing some damage to the can.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:45 pm to
I believe they are more effective with subsonic rounds


Subsonic rounds wouldn't be nearly as effective at the distances the shooter was shooting from


The ones I've seen fired with subsonic rounds are pretty damn quiet. Obviously the action of the weapon makes a good bit of noise, but not much of a pop from the round
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 10:47 pm
Posted by 03GeeTee
Oklahomastan
Member since Oct 2010
3371 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:51 pm to
It wouldn't make much difference at all I this situation due to the distance he was shooting from. In the videos from the concert you are mostly hearing the supersonic crack from the bullets, not the report of the rifle. All a suppressor would do is reduce the report of the rifle a bit and would do nothing to the supersonic crack of the bullets.

I've worked in the target pits at a shooting range when my friend was shooting a suppressed 308 rifle from 300 yards away. The bullets were going right above me and the crack was still very loud.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 10:54 pm
Posted by DeoreDX
Member since Oct 2010
4053 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:01 pm to
Second time I've been able copy/paste this. Good thing I wrote it!

I do [some] acoustic engineering so I'm familiar with the math. Lets do some math.

Google says an AR15 shooting standard ball ammo will measure around 158dBL at 1m. Your hearing is instantly damaged at 140dBL without hearing protection. At 200m away the sound would be 108dBL

A suppressed AR15 is measured around 136dBL for a good quality can. At 200 meters the sound level would be measured at 88dBL. That's a little louder than standing beside a running lawnmower. Can you hear a lawnmower when you are standing beside it? That's how loud an AR15 shot suppressed from 200m away is. But... that is just the measurement of the muzzle blast. Any high powered rifle the bullet is supersonic and is propagating a supersonic shock wave (sonic boom) as is moves down range. That is the "crackling" sound you will hear down range. Again google search finds some testing that shows a bullet's supersonic shock wave will be in the range of 135+ dBA and there is nothing a suppressor will ever do to mask that sound signature. That is a 135dBA noise propagating down the lane of fire you that you should easily be able to hear unless you are deaf. -6dB per doubling of the distance away from the shock wave you are still over 100dBL when you are over 56M away from where the bullet passes by. That shock wave noise level is constant until you hit about 1300fps then it starts dropping off quickly. Plugging numbers into my ballistics calculator, standard XM193 556 ball ammo will not drop down to that velocity level until you hit the 600 yard range.
Posted by Propagandalf
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2010
2528 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:09 pm to
I was just about to look for your post I saw earlier to quote here bc that pretty much sums it up. People watch too many movies.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35584 posts
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:18 pm to
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:37 pm to
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