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re: Planned freshwater diversions will doom LA salt fishing
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:07 am to Deege
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:07 am to Deege
Fact-river delta unimpeded by levees will build marsh if it is allowed to carry a sediment load. The reason the Caenarvon and Davis pond projects do poorly is they are in place to maintain salinity. Davis pond was actually building land very fast and they shut it down and redesigned it because the oyster guys were bitching. Fact-shellfish landings following a major flood are historically at record levels the next year.
All those areas like Oak River were once huge oak groves. If they were still in place the land loss would be near the level it is with just the floatant. I'm all for using a dredge to kick start these areas the sediment diversions are planned. Then plant and expand annually and when a 100 year flood comes open those bays up and throw key away until it recedes oyster guys be damn. Then we will do some land building. Nungassers guy had a plan to do something similar.
All those areas like Oak River were once huge oak groves. If they were still in place the land loss would be near the level it is with just the floatant. I'm all for using a dredge to kick start these areas the sediment diversions are planned. Then plant and expand annually and when a 100 year flood comes open those bays up and throw key away until it recedes oyster guys be damn. Then we will do some land building. Nungassers guy had a plan to do something similar.
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Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:09 am to hardhead
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no shite?
If you want a more in-depth article then send me a grant and you will get one.
What are you sitting on some facts that you are not sharing with us?
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:16 am to Deege
This subject is more than just a hobbie of mine and I can tell by his responses that HardHead is informed. I won't re-hash what's he's already said but he's very accurate.
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:16 am to Deege
Any COE or coastal erosion guys that can refute my suggestions? Seems viable to me, but maybe there is more to it
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:19 am to Hammertime
I'm in school for it and no I cannot
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:23 am to hardhead
I understand the basic geology of our area, the effect of the levees over the last century and what diversions are supposed to do. And your explanation is excellent.
My question was how the sediment load of the proposed diversions will be different than the two major diversion already in place.
My question was how the sediment load of the proposed diversions will be different than the two major diversion already in place.
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:25 am to ADLSUNSU
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and the page for the Coalition to Restore Coastal Louisiana
Volunteer with these guys a few times a year. Can be tough work, but it's rewarding to try to help restore your own stomping grounds. We recently did a mangrove planting in an old O&G canal that they filled with the dredg material out of the boat slips in Fourchon.
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:30 am to jimbeam
I give you permission to propose it to the school, but I have to get credited for the idea when it blows up. I want to get some chicks because of it.....
CAUSE THE CHICKS DIG IT
It's all in writing man. The proof is in the pudding. Devil's in the details. Me Chinese me play joke. Me put peepee in your coke.
CAUSE THE CHICKS DIG IT
It's all in writing man. The proof is in the pudding. Devil's in the details. Me Chinese me play joke. Me put peepee in your coke.
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:34 am to Hammertime
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a bunch of sediment via turbulence
Where would said sediment come from? Diversions get sediment from areas outside of Louisiana via the Mississippi river. Kind of like tourism dollars bring in new money to an area.
There is no one fix to our current problem, it will take actions on muliple fronts.
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:34 am to jimbeam
Coastal Erosion didn't happen overnight. And neither will trying to repair it. As long as the sediment from the river is not deposited as it was over the 1000 years prior to 1921 it will never be repaired.
Is it going to hurt some folks, like charter fishermen, shrimpers, oyster fishermen, etc? Short term yes.
Is it going to benefit these same folks? Long term yes.
Louisiana has the greatest fishery in the world. It was created by the river. Putting sediments from the river and creating new land and marshes is only going to recreate what we lost. Those same people are my friends. Charter fishermen, shrimpers, and oyster men. It will cause the to adapt, change, run further. Change won't be easy for them.
I think everybody wants the erosion to stop. They just don't want the water muddy where they fish. If I have to ride a little further to catch fish so be it. I want my grandchildren one day to have a place to fish called the greatest fishery in the world, South Louisiana.
Is it going to hurt some folks, like charter fishermen, shrimpers, oyster fishermen, etc? Short term yes.
Is it going to benefit these same folks? Long term yes.
Louisiana has the greatest fishery in the world. It was created by the river. Putting sediments from the river and creating new land and marshes is only going to recreate what we lost. Those same people are my friends. Charter fishermen, shrimpers, and oyster men. It will cause the to adapt, change, run further. Change won't be easy for them.
I think everybody wants the erosion to stop. They just don't want the water muddy where they fish. If I have to ride a little further to catch fish so be it. I want my grandchildren one day to have a place to fish called the greatest fishery in the world, South Louisiana.
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:35 am to CountryTiger00
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:37 am to CountryTiger00
Dead on Country!!!
The change that has to happen is not good for a lot of folks, doing nothing and keeping the current staus quo is even worse.
The change that has to happen is not good for a lot of folks, doing nothing and keeping the current staus quo is even worse.
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:39 am to Fifthstring
quote:Haven't we been talking about the river this entire thread? From the river man...the river. It is in there, the problem is getting it out in the correct spots
Where would said sediment come from?
JB: ask your teachers if that is viable at all. I'd like to know just for myself because I am a problem/solution type of guy. That starts with identifying the correct problem
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:40 am to Fifthstring
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There is no one fix to our current problem, it will take actions on multiple fronts.
Bottom line
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:43 am to eng08
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I will agree with you on one point Deege, diversions alone are worthless.
If the diversion has no sediment load then it will not work as intended/hoped.
If there is a sediment load then it will work beautifully.
As stated above the entire goal of the new diversions is to capture sediment and water in order to reduce the amount of dredging which is very expensive. It's a great example of the "work smarter not harder" philosophy.
Although it may have seemed otherwise in the previous thread, this is my sentiment. I'm not against the diversions, but am against ONLY the diversions. Caenarvon without sediment has failed to create any land.
Those who say it's because of storms need to consider storm surges could be worse BECAUSE of the loss of land. Isaac was a CAT 1, barely. It devastated St. Bernard and other areas with surge, and this didn't happen with similar storms in the not so distant past.
This post was edited on 3/27/13 at 11:51 am
Posted on 3/27/13 at 11:49 am to Fifthstring
Fifth string,
This like many other issues results in "not in my back yard".
Nobody wants the loop or the new road by their property. But they complain the loudest about traffic.
A good friend of mine owns a motel/room rental place on the coast. She said some of the truest words of wisdom when it came to coastal erosion. She said, "if everybody that came down here to do a damn study would have brought a 5 gallon bucket of rocks, we could have built back every island that's been lost."
Study time is over. Politics time is over. It's been known for 30 years or more "what" the problems are and what the solutions are. It's time for action and time to look at the big picture and take politics out of the solution.
This like many other issues results in "not in my back yard".
Nobody wants the loop or the new road by their property. But they complain the loudest about traffic.
A good friend of mine owns a motel/room rental place on the coast. She said some of the truest words of wisdom when it came to coastal erosion. She said, "if everybody that came down here to do a damn study would have brought a 5 gallon bucket of rocks, we could have built back every island that's been lost."
Study time is over. Politics time is over. It's been known for 30 years or more "what" the problems are and what the solutions are. It's time for action and time to look at the big picture and take politics out of the solution.
Posted on 3/27/13 at 12:36 pm to Deege
quote:
Deege
do you work in the oyster industry?
Posted on 3/27/13 at 12:38 pm to mack the knife
This is an excellent question. 
Posted on 3/27/13 at 12:47 pm to Deege
quote:
Facts that I read from the reports I directed you to indicate that land loss in Caenarvon is greater area that all deltas built by all freshwater diversions.
please link this, I've studied Caernarvon pretty extensively from a historic prospective (pre-1950) and would like to know more about the current situation.
Posted on 3/27/13 at 12:48 pm to CountryTiger00
quote:
This like many other issues results in "not in my back yard".
Nobody wants the loop or the new road by their property. But they complain the loudest about traffic.
I don't think the loop issue is similar. The loop issue is that everyone around BR wants it in their backyard and refuse to support any plan that doesn't maximize their personal benefit.
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