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New Ballistic Gel Tester I Found on Youtube

Posted on 2/8/14 at 7:59 pm
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11872 posts
Posted on 2/8/14 at 7:59 pm
Shooting the Bull

This dude does some extremely thorough ballistic gel tests. I like his better than TNoutdoors and Brassfetcher in that he shows multiple shots to illustrate consistency or lack thereof. He seems to focus on short barreled tests to give you a good idea of rounds for carry.

Some early things I've found:

1. 380 FMJs are TERRIBLE for carry in that they overpenetrate to the 25"-30" mark.

2. Hornady XTP and Federal Hydrashok in 380 is a very good choice.

3. 9mm Hornady Critical Defense are great for short-barreled carry guns (as they are designed to be, rather than being light-for-caliber).

4. 9mm Hornady Critical Duty overpenetrates from short barrels (as expected since it is designed for "duty" pistols).

Check out this guy's channel. It's still relatively new and he is still doing quite a few tests.
Posted by skuter
P'ville
Member since Jan 2005
6142 posts
Posted on 2/8/14 at 8:04 pm to
Saw those vids a while back and started carrying different ammo based on his results.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 8:05 pm
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11872 posts
Posted on 2/8/14 at 8:21 pm to
I've currently been carrying critical duty and will probably change to critical defense due to the intense overpenetration. I agree.

Posted by skuter
P'ville
Member since Jan 2005
6142 posts
Posted on 2/8/14 at 8:34 pm to
quote:

I've currently been carrying critical duty and will probably change to critical defense


That was one move I made

HST in 9mm shield was another
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 8:46 pm
Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
10110 posts
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:28 pm to
Haven't watched yet, does he take into account blue jeans or a heavy jacket?
Posted by Biff Tannen
Member since Sep 2012
2522 posts
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:34 pm to
quote:

"full penetration cn get you sued, under penetration can get you killed"



words to live/die by




thank god i'm i'll all about double+ penetration




Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
10110 posts
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:38 pm to
Killing a child is worse than myself getting injured.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17250 posts
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:39 pm to
Interesting video, here is another view point from buffalo bore

quote:



Here's the problem. The current 380 auto frangible ammo delivers a large amount of surface trauma, but lacks serious penetration. For example, if you shot me or another sane man in the face with modern frangible 380 ammo, it would blow off a big portion of my cheek and send a few teeth down my throat, I would undoubtedly fall to the ground in shock and pain, but I would be very much alive and functional if I could get past the shock and pain as that frangible bullet would have stopped some where inside my face, never making it to my brain. However, if you shot a drugged up maniac in the face with that same frangible 380 ammo and blew half his cheek off, he would keep right on coming because he is insane and is not thinking like you or I. Plus, he is likely pain free and fear free and wont know that half his cheek is missing and if he did know, he would not care. So whatever 380 ammo you shoot him in the face with, had better go through his face and blow his brain stem out the back of his head, because only a CNS (central nervous system) hit with a 380 is going to stop him. Likewise, a torso hit to the sternum needs to penetrate deep enough to blow all the way through his spine in order to shut him down spontaneously. If you fail to shut him down instantly, you and your loved ones are going to have to find a way to survive while you wait for him to bleed out and pass out. The best chance of survival for you and your family is to shut down the attacker instantly. So, we've designed a few 380 auto +P loads to keep you and your loved ones alive under the worst of scenarios.

Item 27A/20 is a 100gr. HARD cast bullet with a flat nose. It is traveling over 1,150 fps out of my 3.75 inch BDA (Browning Double Action). We've used a flash suppressed powder for all three of our 380 auto loads so that you wont be blinded by your own gunfire if you have to shoot in the dark and since around 95% of all civilian shootings in America occur in low light, the chances that your own gunfire will blind you while you are trying to save your life, are good - we've eliminated this variable by using flash suppressed powder. We've also chosen a flat nosed solid bullet. The flat on the nose ensures that the bullet will cut/smash its way through flesh and bone and do much more destruction than typical round nose FMJ bullets. Round nosed bullets tend to slip and slide through matter, doing little damage as opposed to a flat nosed bullet. The flat nose not only wounds much more than a round nosed bullet, but it actually keeps the penetration straight and thus deeper. Notice the below velocities recorded from my personal 380 auto pistols. These are real world guns and thus the speeds are realistic and not exaggerated speeds produced from laboratory test barrels. What you see with Buffalo Bore Ammo, is truly what you get in the "real world", where it matters. You can expect 20+ inches of straight-line penetration in flesh and bone with this load. If you are worried about over penetration with this load, DON'T! You chose to carry a tiny under-powered 380 auto pistol and the trade-off is that you are now going to have to stay alive with that pistol and over penetration will be the least of your worries if you end up needing this gun to save yourself or your family.



Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17250 posts
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:50 pm to
quote:

Killing a child is worse than myself getting injured.


I fully agree, and would even go further to say "me injuring (shooting ) an innocent child is worse than me dying"

However

I would never take a shot that I would be counting on the inability of a round to over penetrate to not hit an innocent person (child)
Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
10110 posts
Posted on 2/8/14 at 10:31 pm to
While windows and sheet rock are necessary building items, they are terrible at stopping bullets. Just because you can't see them, doesn't make them safe (not saying you said this by any means).

Furthermore, this is exactly why there are pistol caliber carbines. Even cops know that you don't need a 308 to clear a house. Wanting 30 plus inches of penetration is like using a sledgehammer to drive a roofing nail.

Edited cuz I ain't good at typing.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 10:34 pm
Posted by skuter
P'ville
Member since Jan 2005
6142 posts
Posted on 2/9/14 at 6:46 am to
quote:

Haven't watched yet, does he take into account blue jeans or a heavy jacket?


Yes he does. I found it interesting that ammo good in say a full size 9mm would perform totally different in a 3" barrel.

This was also shocking to me as this ammo is very popular
Speer Gold Dot
This post was edited on 2/9/14 at 7:05 am
Posted by nogators
Member since Oct 2009
33 posts
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:09 am to
Well guess I better switch out the gold dots in my 938.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11872 posts
Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:47 am to
quote:

Yes he does. I found it interesting that ammo good in say a full size 9mm would perform totally different in a 3" barrel.


+1

That's what was so shocking to me. I figured Critical Duty wouldn't perform that much differently from a shorter barrel but the bullet must rely on that extra velocity to open up more and slow down. I bet they would be very effective out of a pistol caliber carbine.

But for my carry gun, I will probably be picking up a box of Critical Defense.
Posted by That's BS
Smoothie King Center
Member since Jan 2012
1783 posts
Posted on 2/9/14 at 3:48 pm to
I spent way too much time on his channel last night after seeing this thread. I'm satisfied with my current 9mm ammo for my G26 and Shield (Hornady Critical Defense) until I see the rest of his 9mm results.

Def will be looking for some new .380 ammo though. Also had Critical Defense for that.
Posted by nogators
Member since Oct 2009
33 posts
Posted on 2/9/14 at 8:06 pm to
He said he could basically end the test with the Federal HST's. Check that video out if you haven't already.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
29966 posts
Posted on 2/9/14 at 8:31 pm to
This makes me doubt my Critical Duty +p, but I don't really care anymore. I bought a slew of them and so they will have to be the go-to for now.



SGammo had Critical Duty, HST and Winchester Rangers in stock so I jumped on 'em like a turkey on a june bug.

They were also 21 dollars for a 50 pack back then, too.


I always considered the polymer tip on any hornady the reason they were good for short barrels. It was my perception, (though who knows?) that the tip aided feeding in a shorter ramp.

Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28499 posts
Posted on 2/9/14 at 8:36 pm to
quote:

Federal HST's.

I immediately started looking for some after watching this last night. I'm happy with my critical defense but it seems the HST gets a better expansion.

Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11872 posts
Posted on 2/10/14 at 12:00 am to
quote:

This makes me doubt my Critical Duty +p, but I don't really care anymore. I bought a slew of them and so they will have to be the go-to for now.


I do like the Critical Duty's in my 5" M&P CORE but besides that I'm gonna be carrying the best stuff he finds.

I don't know if I've ever seen HST on the shelf but his test showed it lay a smackdown on the ole Gold Dot.
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