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Gun Passed Down From My Pops

Posted on 7/1/13 at 12:03 pm
Posted by GeauxTigers0107
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
9705 posts
Posted on 7/1/13 at 12:03 pm
Wanted to share one of the guns my Pops gave me over the weekend. I'm no aficionado by any means but I know there are a few on this site who might be able to share a little knowledge on it.

Mosin Nagant 91-30 pic 001

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The little bit I have read on it is that it's an early 1900's Russian military rifle. It has 7.62x54 stamped on it and is in great shape. I could care less if it's worth a dollar or 10,000 because it was handed down from my Pops. And one day, my son will have it but that's still a ways off because he's only 7.

Speaking of that, sometime around his birth Dad bought him a Henry Golden Boy. I brought it back too and will give it to my son next week for his birthday as a gift from his Pa-Paw (read: Pow Pow)...lol. Of course it's NIB and unfired.

Anyway, your thoughts on the Mosin Nagant are appreciated.


Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29258 posts
Posted on 7/1/13 at 12:12 pm to
If that is a hex receiver, some people consider that more collectible.



A very long internet classic:

AR15: You can pick off prairie dogs at 300 meters all day long
AK47: You can pick off a deer pretty easy at 300 meters
Mosin-Nagant: You get out of your truck, see an elk on top of a hill, and realize you really can use iron sights that far.

AR15: You measure your misses by sub MOA measurements
AK47: You miss and, and aim a bit lower this time.
Mosin-Nagant: Even if you miss the shockwave of the bullet will kill the animal.

AR15: You are careful to keep in clean in the field.
AK47: You don’t worry so much about some dirt getting in it.
Mosin-Nagant: It still has gritty grease inside it from when the Finnish army put it into storage.

AR15: Your bayonet will do an alright job of butchering your kill if needed.
AK47: The bayonet doubles as a decent hunting knife.
Mosin-Nagant: Your bayonet can be used to spit roast an entire pig.

AR15: Nice and light for carrying over obstructions.
AK47: Handy package for carrying over obstructions.
Mosin-Nagant: You can pole vault over obstructions.

AR15: Can’t run dry or you get seizure.
AK47: Can run dry, but may cause laquered ammo to stick in chamber.
Mosin-Nagant: Just handling the bolt gives it enough oil to operate smoothly.
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29258 posts
Posted on 7/1/13 at 12:13 pm to
Lots more after the break!

What your wife does after she finds out you spent the tax refund / stimulus payment on a -

AR15: She yells at you for spending the whole thing on a plastic varmint rifle.
AK47: She is disappointed at what an ugly rifle you spent half of it on.
Mosin-Nagant: She doesn’t even notice the Mosin-Nagant because of the diamond ring you got her with all the left over cash.

AR15: Melts IN the fire
AK47: Starts ON fire
Mosin-Nagant: Starts THE fire

AR15: With a custom barrel, Varmint Scope, and gunsmith trigger job, you can vaporize prairie dogs at 600 yards.
AK47: With a good rain, you can wait hidden in the mud at the side of a watering hole and wait for the game to come to you for a shot within 10 yards.
Mosin-Nagant: With a solid shooting position, you can hit that deer on the other side of the valley… and recover the bullet in the tree it was standing in front of.

AR15: You can buy 100 round magazines that require dry-carbon lubricant.
AK47: You can do push-ups on your 30 round steel mag (Saw this in a SPETSNATZ documentary).
Mosin-Nagant: You can use the buttstock to pound in a tent stake and if you don’t have tent stakes, the bayonet will work as one.

AR-15: Carried by elite special forces and highly-trained American soldiers
AK-47: Carried by illiterate peons and unwilling conscripts.
Mosin-Nagant-Nagant: Carried by Vassily Zaitsev.

AR15: Might just stop that charging terrorist with a three round burst
AK47: Would stop the terrorist in his tracks
Mosin-Nagant: Would stop the charging terrorist, his three buddies, and blow up the IED in the next block from the shockwave of the bullet…

AR15: Shoots a .22.
AK47: Shoots a carbine round.
Mosin-Nagant: Shoots a cannonball.

AR15: Shot by the free world
AK47: Shot at the free world
Mosin-Nagant: Almost free to shoot

AR15: Shoot it in the air it goes a mile
AK47: Shoot it in the air it goes 1/2 a mile
Mosin-Nagant: Shoot it in the air and someone in Berlin gets hit by a bullet.

AR15: Made out of used cars and recycled milk jugs
AK47: Made out of oil rigs and packing crates
Mosin-Nagant: Made out of old water pipe and goat carts

AR15: Sounds like a pop gun
AK47: Sounds like a machine gun
Mosin-Nagant: Sounds like the Trinity Atomic Blast

AR15: Sometimes mistaken for a toy
AK47: Sometimes mistaken for random parts
Mosin-Nagant: Sometimes mistaken for an artillery piece, or an anti-aircraft gun

AR15: Pray (it works) and spray
AK47: Spray and pray(you hit something)
Mosin-Nagant: The hammer of God

AR15: Makes grown men laugh.
AK47: Makes grown men cry.
Mosin-Nagant: Makes grown men incontinent.

AR15: Finicky when dirty.
AK47: Still works when dirty.
Mosin-Nagant: Arrives Dirty from the Distributor.

AR15: Don’t run over it…it will Break
AK47: Run over it, it still shoots.
Mosin-Nagant: Run over it and it will flatten your Tires!

AR15: Makes a Pop when fired
AK47: Makes a Boom when fired
Mosin-Nagant: What the hell was that ???

AR15: Ok, I got One!
AK47: Ok, I have 3 different ones.
Mosin-Nagant: Ok, I have Mosin-itis and have 14 and looking for More….

AR15: Makes a small hole in a tree
AK47: Makes a medium sized hole in a tree
Mosin-Nagant: Blows tree in half making firewood available.

AR15: Kills rabbits and coyotes
AK47: Kills pigs and small deer
Mosin-Nagant: If you can’t kill it with a Mosin-Nagant, it can’t be killed

AR15: Safe to stow in poly bags
AK47: Safe to stow in a rice paddy
Mosin-Nagant: Safe to stow in a landfill

AR15: 100 round beta c drum mags you can load with a speed loader
AK47: 75 round drum magazine you have to reload individually by pressing a lever
Mosin-Nagant: You can store 20 of them in a drum with about 1000 rounds on stripper clips

AR15: Has a nice Airsoft copy
AK47: Has a nice Airsoft copy
Mosin-Nagant: Who needs Airsoft when you can fire blanks.

AR15: Makes a nice paperweight
AK47: Makes a nice doorstop
Mosin-Nagant: Makes a nice baseball bat and way cheaper then aluminum

AR15: Loyal following of people that have more money than sense.
AK47: Loyal following of people that have a longer police record than the range of the rifle.
Mosin-Nagant: Loyal following of people that have more rounds of ammo than they got hairs on all family members’ heads combined.

AR-15: Your enemies will giggle
AK-47: Your enemies will take cover and swear as they ready their weapons
Mosin-Nagant: Your enemies will flatten themselves to the ground and offer up prayers of salvation to whatever god they believe in…then they will die.

AR-15: Drop it from ten feet and it shatters.
AK-47: Drop it from ten feet and it still works.
Mosin-Nagant: Drop it from ten feet and it’s more lethal than a lawn dart.

AR-15: You can melt it with a magnifying glass.
AK-47: Under a magnifying glass, you can see the ingrained dirt.
Mosin-Nagant: Under a magnifying glass, you can see the soaked-in BLOOD.

AR-15: Safe, Semiautomatic, Full-Auto (more like full-JAM)
AK-47: Safe(dubious), Semiautomatic, Full-Auto
Mosin-Nagant: Kill, Maim, Destroy

AR-15: When you run out of ammo, duck for cover and spend 15 minutes cleaning and reloading
AK-47: You could probably rig it up to fire chain-linked ammo
Mosin-Nagant: When you run out of ammo (never) you can shoot chaff and langrage from it (wikipedia that)

AR-15: My daddy bought me this weapon for my birthday
AK-47: I saved two weeks’ paychecks to buy this.
Mosin-Nagant: I think it was free…

AR-15: My rifle floated away in the flood
AK-47: My rifle was submerged for three weeks by the flood and still works
Mosin-Nagant: I fired my rifle and the flood waters parted…

AR15: You keep your bayonet in the kitchen because it is a good steak knife
AK47: You keep your bayonet in your toolbox because it is a good wire cutter
Mosin-Nagant: You no longer fix your bayonet in the house because the last time you did you poked a hole in the ceiling when you stood up

AR15: For $1000 you can get one
AK47: For $1000 you can get two and 300 rounds of ammo
Mosin-Nagant: For $1000 you can get 16 of them plus a Bulgarian armory’s worth of surplus ammo

AR15: Can start brush fires with incendiary ammunition.
AK47: Can start brush fires by dropping it after the handguard catches fire.
Mosin-Nagant: Can start brush fires by firing from anything lower than a kneeling position.

AR15: Built with custom parts, nice trigger, all the bells and whistles $1500+
AK47: Modified with aftermarket and 1,000 rounds of ammo not even $1500
Mosin-Nagant: Stock, with 1,000 rounds maybe $300, meaning you get $1200 to spend on more beer

AR15: Takes a few men out in a sweeper movement
AK47: Takes most men out in a sweeper movement
Mosin-Nagant: Shoot one the sonic boom will handle the rest

AR15: Used in negotiations
AK47: Reason for negotiations
Mosin-Nagant: Negotiator









Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29258 posts
Posted on 7/1/13 at 12:14 pm to
AR15: I think I felt it kick
AK47: Kinda like a 20 guage
Mosin-Nagant: Dislocation
Mosin-Nagant with heavy ball: Where’s my freaking shoulder

AR15: Takes 3 rounds to take out your enemy
AK47: takes 30 rounds sprayed and hopefully you hit your target
Mosin-Nagant: 1 shot, 50 kills

AR15: More options than a custom Rolls-Royce. No two guns are alike.
AK47: Same number of options as a Toyota Corolla. Most guns look alike.
Mosin-Nagant: Options: You want a bayonet with that?

The limits of customizing a-
AR15: How much $ you got.
AK47: What you can find in the Tapco catalog.
Mosin-Nagant: How much duct tape Bubba’s got.

AR15: Such light recoil, you could put on over your balls and fire.
AK47: Recoil manageable enough for anyone to use it.
Mosin-Nagant: Recoil that registers as small tremors in the earth itself.

AR15: Bullet starts tumbling the moment it meets sufficient resistance, like paper
AK47: Bullet will continue trajectory until it hits something solid, like a deer
Mosin-Nagant: It keeps going and going and going….

AR15: You probably drive a Lexus
AK47: If you’re lucky to possess a vehicle, it’s referred to as a “Technical”
Mosin-Nagant: You hang truck-balls off your trailer hitch, and you’re proud of them.

AR15: Lots of fancy optics available
AK47: You can bolt some stuff to the side
Mosin-Nagant: Who cares about optics when the barrel is long enough to smack the enemy over the head without even leaving your foxhole.

AR15: Used by special forces to kill terrorists
AK47: Used by revolutionaries and any two bit nation’s illiterate conscripts to kill each other
Mosin-Nagant: Used by Simo Häyhä to kill Russian conscripts

AR15: Requires over 1000 rounds to break in
AK47: May need some breaking in
Mosin-Nagant: The stripper clips require more breaking in

AR15: Can take down smaller sized game.
AK47: Can take down average sized game.
Mosin-Nagant: Can take down satellites.

AR15: Invented 50 years ago by a consummate engineer
AK47: Invented 60 years ago by wounded tank sergeant
Mosin-Nagant: Invented 117 years ago by two drunks on a budget.

AR15: Star wars
AK47: Holy wars
Mosin-Nagant: Class wars

AR15: Makes small holes
AK47: Makes big holes
Mosin-Nagant: Makes black holes

AR15: Nice lightweight ammo can be carried in quantity.
AK47: You can carry a chest pouch with lots of mags with no problem.
Mosin-Nagant: Ammo is also used in tanks, and larger artillery pieces.

Domestic uses of the bayonet:
AR15: You affix it to your rifle and use it as a dibble to plant tulip bulbs in the garden.
AK47: You affix it to your rifle and use it to trim low-hanging tree branches.
Mosin-Nagant: You affix it to your rifle, accidentally stab it into the ceiling and bring down a square foot of plaster, and spend the next week sleeping on the couch because your wife is pissed off at you.

AR15: Comes in Pink Hello Kitty and Barbie
AK47: Comes in Pink Hello Kitty
Mosin-Nagant: What’s pink?
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29258 posts
Posted on 7/1/13 at 12:14 pm to
AR15: Iran-Contra was a cover-up
AK47: Afghanistan (1980) was a cover-up
Mosin-Nagant: Chernobyll was a cover-up

You call the thing with the ammo in it a “clip” and…
AR15: Your buddies glare at you and don’t speak to you for a month.
AK47: Your buddies smile at you with their gold teeth and “blast another cap.”
Mosin-Nagant: Your buddies smile at you because it’s one of the few times you all get to call something a “clip”… and be right.

AR15: Clean with fancy lubes and solvents with special tools.
AK47: Clean? In Soviet Russia AK clean you!
Mosin-Nagant: Squirt some Windex down the bore. Ready for another 500 rounds tomorrow!

AR15: You can be an expert with this rifle after basic training
AK47: You can be an expert with this rifle after a seminar at the Holiday Inn on AKs
Mosin-Nagant: You can be an expert with this rifle after spending 30 minutes on the internet reading forums, and watching youtube videos

AR15: Can shoot a squirrel and have a great meal
AK47: Can shoot a squirrel and have some meat left to eat.
Mosin-Nagant: There is a tail left around here somewhere.

AR15: Puts some countries air force to shame
AK47: Used by countries who can’t afford an air force
Mosin-Nagant: Could be used to take down an air force

AR15: Shoot one and you’ll be owning one soon!
AK47: Shoot one and you will buy some high capacity magazines and 1000 rounds of ammo
Mosin-Nagant: Shoot one and you will own 15 and want another!

AR15: Goes pew pew pew
AK47: Goes pow pow pow
Mosin-Nagant: Goes BOOOOOOOM!

AR15: Made by a stoned Eugene
AK47: Made by an injured Kalashnikov
Mosin-Nagant: Made by a drunken Belgian and a crazy Ivan

Owners drink of choice
AR15: Cognac
AK47: Malt liquor
Mosin-Nagant: Brake cleaner

AR15: Makes a tiny hole with no fragmentation or undue extra injury, in accordance with the Geneva Convention
AK47: Makes a big hole and sometimes flings severed body parts around, not in accordance with the Geneva Convention
Mosin-Nagant: One of the reasons the Geneva Convention was written

AR15: Can shoot it off your head and it won’t kill you
AK47: Shoot it off your head and you die
Mosin-Nagant: Shoot if from your shoulder and you need it popped back into place

AR15: Used to kill Enemies of the State.
AK47: Used by Enemies of the State.
Mosin-Nagant: Enemy at the Gates.

AR15: Good for shooting poodles.
AK47: Good for shooting enemies of the state
Mosin-Nagant: Good for shooting light armored vehicles

AR15: Keeps gunsmiths in business
AK47: Keeps drug dealers and terrorists in business
Mosin-Nagant: Keeps Chiropractors in business

AR15: Built like a Toy.
AK47: Built like a Sewing Machine.
Mosin-Nagant: Built like a Tank!

AR15: Too much Plastic.
AK47: Too Much Sheet metal.
Mosin-Nagant: Too much of everything!

AR15: stays in the Vault.
AK47: not allowed in the vault.
Mosin-Nagant: Can be used to Pole Vault!

AR15: In your Heart you think it’s ugly.
AR15: In your Heart you know it’s ugly.
Mosin-Nagant: You’re afraid to call it ugly!

AR15: It doesn’t go anywhere near <shudder> water… Unless you’re drinking Evian
AK47: If water touches it, it would mistake it for a cleaning solvent and fall apart
Mosin-Nagant: Row-row-row your boat, gently down the Volga…

AR15: If it gets in the Mekong river, you need to clean it before firing.
AK47: If it gets in the Mekong river, shake the water out before firing.
Mosin-Nagant: Used as an oar to paddle up and down the Mekong river

AR15: Used to attack soldiers building a bridge across the Mekong
AK47: Used to protect soldiers building a bridge across the Mekong
Mosin-Nagant: Used to actually build the bridge across the Mekong.

AR15: Plastics make it possible
AK47: Sheet metal make it possible
Mosin-Nagant: Driftwood make it possible
Posted by TigerDeacon
West Monroe, LA
Member since Sep 2003
29258 posts
Posted on 7/1/13 at 12:15 pm to
The rest is here: LINK
Posted by hunt66
Member since Aug 2011
1484 posts
Posted on 7/1/13 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by Teyeger
Smoke Grove
Member since Sep 2011
2410 posts
Posted on 7/1/13 at 12:19 pm to
I bought mine for 90 bucks just cause it was a gun for 90 bucks. It actually shoots really good and is kinda cool.

I got mine from a place that bought a whole crate. It also had those big tuna cans of ammo and the little key that you are supposed to used to open said tuna can. Yea I don't see how in the world anyone in freezing temps was able to use that key to open it. We started using a big knife after about two minutes.
Posted by rompus
Kentucky
Member since Jan 2010
608 posts
Posted on 7/1/13 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 7/1/13 at 12:45 pm to
One gun I sort of want but do not have.

Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
20010 posts
Posted on 7/1/13 at 1:34 pm to
I have several and they shoot just fine. They are worth less than $200 unless it is a Finn which is better made and more accurate and would be worth $400+. Just hang on to it and shoot it some and pass it on.
Posted by GeauxTigers0107
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
9705 posts
Posted on 7/1/13 at 11:48 pm to
Deacon....hilarious stuff. Read every one.



Teyeger
quote:

I bought mine for 90 bucks just cause it was a gun for 90 bucks.

Awesome...the more I read about it, the more stuff like this I find out.




Rompus
I think I'm gonna print that chart out and hang it under the gun in my man cave....




Hugo
quote:

One gun I sort of want but do not have.

Apparently they aren't very expensive. Check your ashtray for loose change and go buy you one




Yewkindewit
quote:

Just hang on to it and shoot it some and pass it on.

That is exactly the plan.





Thanks for the comments guys. Sorry for not getting back sooner but I got called out of the house.
Posted by KBeezy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2004
13529 posts
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:54 am to
quote:

AR15: Shoots a .22.
AK47: Shoots a carbine round.
Mosin-Nagant: Shoots a cannonball.


AK47=7.62 mm projectile
Nagant=7.62 mm projectile
Posted by shspanthers
Nashville, TN
Member since Sep 2007
766 posts
Posted on 7/2/13 at 7:12 am to
AK-47 vs Mosin rounds

Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44047 posts
Posted on 7/2/13 at 7:20 am to
quote:

AK47=7.62 mm projectile Nagant=7.62 mm projectile

Indeed, it's basically a .308.

People that talk about the kick apparently have never shot a 30-06 - much less a 300 win mag.

The thing is it has a steel buttplate and a very shot LOP. That combo will punch you good if you don't hold it properly.

I picked up one and the 440 round ammo tin and extras for $180. The pig sticker can also be used for opening the ammo can. It shoots just fine, but the beauty of the gun is its simplicity. All of the 'technology' is in the bolt. A friend of mine has the carbine, and while it seems to kick a little arder, anyone who shoots a 12 ga. won't have any problems with any of these rifles.



And BTW, OP, you've got the bayonette on upside down. You need to rotate it to clear the front sight.

Enjoy.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44047 posts
Posted on 7/2/13 at 7:27 am to
The Mosin was the main infantry battle rifle for the Russians in WWI and WWII. A better comparison would be to what other WWII era infantry rilfles were using, like the Garand's 30-06 (far right):



I think that's why so many complain about the recoil of the Mosins, they're used to shooting .223s or some shite.
Posted by GeauxTigers0107
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
9705 posts
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:19 pm to
quote:

you've got the bayonette on upside down




I realized that when I went to pull it off but I didn't feel like putting it back on, taking another pic and loading it with the others. I actually thought someone would have caught that sooner.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44047 posts
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:47 pm to
I wanted to add one other point on shooting the Mosin - shoot it. It's fun.

BUT, a LOT of the ammo for it uses corrosive primers (in non-reloadable steel cases). That requires an extra step to clean the bore in that you want to use an ammonia soaked patch first (the legend is that Russian soldiers used to piss down the barrel to clean it) and then go to your Hoppes and clean as usual.

Check the bore often and make sure it's shiny. And don't be afraid to shoot cheap ammo - after all, that's what the Russians used.
Posted by shspanthers
Nashville, TN
Member since Sep 2007
766 posts
Posted on 7/2/13 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

People that talk about the kick apparently have never shot a 30-06 - much less a 300 win mag.


This. I thought the Mosin was going to be tough, but it's much easier to handle than my M1 Garand.
This post was edited on 7/2/13 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Crawdaddy
Slidell. The jewel of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
18360 posts
Posted on 7/2/13 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

I think that's why so many complain about the recoil of the Mosins, they're used to shooting .223s or some shite.


And the Mosin weighs a ton so the recoil is not all that bad. It is a rifle, it kicks.

funny 22 shooters are funny
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