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cajuncarguy
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FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
I wanted to give a heads up about a developing situation concerning light duty Dodge and Jeep 3.0 diesels/

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The maximum fine, in theory, would be about $4.6 billion.


What does this might mean to owners?

Well first of all it's just an allegation by Obama's EPA. But if true 2 things might happened.

1) The potential fine would be a hugh strain on an already financially strapped FCA.

2) Importantly to Dodge truck and Jeep 3.0 diesel owners if it follows what happened to American VW diesel owners in their similar situation. The EPA forced VW to either fix or by back the vehicles. If no fix they had to buy back. That would be in addition to the fines. And if they can fix it would almost certainly have impacts on performance and MPG.

3) If this plays out like the VW thing did dealers are very reluctant to trade these vehicles because they didn't want to get stuck with them because of all of the unknowns.
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
is there anyway civilians could just pay a one time bypass all the epa bull shite on your engine fine


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ZacAttack
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
The EPA is definitely a government organization that is way out of control.


Chad504boy
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
my EGR cooler is needing to be replaced under warranty in my f250, at 73k now, when 100k comes... delete delete delete delete


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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
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The EPA is definitely a government organization that is way out of control.

For about 8 more days that is


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CP3
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
#bringbackthe7.3


YOURADHERE
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
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my EGR cooler is needing to be replaced under warranty in my f250, at 73k now, when 100k comes... delete delete delete delete


I just rolled 80k on my 2012 yesterday, I planned to keep it stock until 100k and throw all that stuff in the garbage. 2 weeks ago I got a CEL for the DEF sending unit, it's out of warranty and was quoted $860 to fix it. Screw that! There's a DPF delete pipe, a SCT X4 tuner, and a H&S cold side pipe in my shop to be installed Sunday. I'm ready to get all this crap off.


Chad504boy
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
where's your shop? u a mechanic?

eta: why not go with the sct livewire ts plus?
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YOURADHERE
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
Meant I just have a work space, not an actual mechanic but the install is supposed to be pretty straight forward.

The DEF sending unit taking a dump was sort of an unexpected expense so I wanted to do this as budget friendly as possible, I still have room to grow as I eventually will do a intake and EGR delete as well. I don't really give a crap about going faster, I just wanted to ditch all this emission crap, go with a mild tune, hopefully pick up a few mpg and not have to worry about none of this stuff giving me trouble in the middle of nowhere. I've already blown a cold side pipe, had a sensor on the DPF go out and now the sending unit.


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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
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7.3
why did Ford ever get away from it?


Chad504boy
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
man, i'd do it all at once and have a pro do it. Delete the EGR, DPF, UREA tank, Catalytic Converter... all of it. I have a 12 too, i'm betting your EGR is similar to mine, clogged city.

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watched this guy's video this morning. pretty level headed guy.


Chad504boy
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
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why did Ford ever get away from it?


wasn't making ford enough money

















in their service department.


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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
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wasn't making ford enough money


Actually, it was the Obummah fuel economy regulations. The automakers had to reach a certain level of average fuel economy across all products. So it gave them incentive to drop their largest engines.

The whole Ecoboost fiasco is an example. You pay $2500 MORE for a six cylinder engine than for the standard V-8. And for that, you get a whopping 1.5 mpg increase in mileage. Which at $2.50 fuel will pay for itself in like 150,000 miles.

I can't believe the lines weren't stretched around the block for that deal.


YOURADHERE
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
I'm fairly mechanically inclined so I'm not worried about doing the installs. The DPF delete just drops out the DPF and puts the delete right back in it's place, the tuner is pretty much plug and play, and the cold side pipe just replaces the shitty factory plastic one. Those 3 things are the 3 major components knocked out and taken care of and I can piece the rest of the stuff together as I go.


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DownshiftAndFloorIt
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
To give some first hand experience from a VW diesel owner:

Expect to be stuck with a worthless vehicle for about a year and a half while litigation sorts itself out. It wasnt an issue for me but for some it was.

Once litigation is cleared expect the EPA to force fiat to bend over and let you give it to them. VW is buying my car back for $1500 less than I paid for it, at 2 years old with 96k miles. This is the one time rediculous MSRPs on vehicles finally bit the manufacturer in the ass.


YOURADHERE
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
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Actually, it was the Obummah fuel economy regulations. The automakers had to reach a certain level of average fuel economy across all products. So it gave them incentive to drop their largest engines.



bullshite, this may be correct for gas burners but when it comes to diesels the EPA wanted "clean burning", they didn't give a shite about economy. Their concern was the illusion of cleanliness. Yea my 6.7 doesn't puff a little black cloud or smell like a diesel but it certainly gets ~5-8mpg less than my 7.3 did.


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Tigahs2007
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
Looking at buying a 2014 Ram Ecodiesel now. What ramifications am I looking at?

Should I pass?


DownshiftAndFloorIt
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
Obviously you should not buy it. You won't be able to shortly anyway.


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Douglas Quaid
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
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hat ramifications am I looking at?


Getting RAM'd on the resale value in the short term. Assuming the fallout goes something like VW then you could put a ton of miles on it and then get back ~90% of what you paid for it.


DownshiftAndFloorIt
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re: FCA (Chrysler) Accused of emisions fraud for 3.0 diesel by EPA
You'd be taking a risk there. You might get stuck with a shitty compliance software fix and a small consolidation check and a shitty worthless truck. Volkswagen got the shaft because they couldn't fix it for less than it cost to buy them back. That may not be the case with the fiat. This litigation will also be taking place under a different administration who may be more manufacturer friendly and less government friendly.
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