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Posted on 2/29/16 at 6:37 am
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 6:37 am
MrsWafer had a small space heater plugged in one of the rooms and it appears to have tripped a breaker. Went to the breaker box and none of the breakers were tripped. Flipped them all (because they aren't labeled correctly apparently) and still no lights in the room. One of the outlets on the opposite side of the room still works.

Could the outlet where the heater was plugged in be bad and causing the light to keep from coming on?

ETA I unplugged the heater before doing anything else. Forgot to add that in earlier.
This post was edited on 2/29/16 at 8:27 am
Posted by gorillacoco
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
5318 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 6:50 am to
That receptacle is likely fed on the same circuit with a GFCI receptacle. Try resetting any GFCIs you have and see if it fixes it.
Posted by tipup
Member since Sep 2005
1649 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 6:53 am to
Chances are that outlet is connected to a GFI outlet somewhere else. Check the outlets near a water source. Bathroom, kitchen, laundry room?
Posted by WPBTiger
Parts Unknown
Member since Nov 2011
30866 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 7:14 am to
quote:

Could the outlet where the heater was plugged in be bad and causing the light to keep from coming on?


Yes, it is possible but more likely

quote:

That receptacle is likely fed on the same circuit with a GFCI receptacle. Try resetting any GFCIs you have and see if it fixes it.
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 7:19 am to
Nearest GFCI is in the bathroom next door. Already tried resetting, but it was fine b
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 7:19 am to
Kitchen and laundry are on the opposite end of the house.
Posted by QuietTiger
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
26256 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 7:24 am to
Unplug the heater and plug in a lamp that you know is on into the receptacle. Get a screwdriver with a rubber handle if you have one and go around the room tapping on each switch or receptacle starting with the working one. If the light flickers repair/replace as needed.
Posted by VanRIch
Wherever
Member since Sep 2007
10367 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 7:27 am to
In our house we have GFis in the garage that are connected to different outlets so it doesn't necessarily have to be a close one.
Posted by King of the Sabine
Member since Jan 2016
149 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 7:30 am to
If you do not have it tied to a GFCI then you have created may have a burnt wire in a junction box feeding that area of the house, or a outlet plug used as a junction off that has a bad side. Have seen it a couple times before both ways.
Posted by rustyjohnson
LP
Member since Oct 2009
429 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 7:31 am to
I'd pull the faceplate on the receptacle the heater was plugged in to and do a good visual inspection. If it had a poor connection, the current draw by the heater may have burned it up.
Posted by DownSouthDave
Beau, Bro, Baw
Member since Jan 2013
7366 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 7:32 am to
quote:

In our house we have GFis in the garage that are connected to different outlets so it doesn't necessarily have to be a close one.


This. I trashed an electric pressure washer because a GFCI tripped on the complete opposite end of the house. Go and reset every one of them.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
29971 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 7:42 am to
quote:

Nearest GFCI is in the bathroom next door. Already tried resetting, but it was fine b


Before you try anything, be certain you have unplugged the heater in question. I assume when you say the GFCI is good, you plugged something into it and had power. If not, do that to verify.

I would try every GFCI, just to be sure. I've seen some wacky stuff.

If you did have the heater unplugged double check your breakers, some do not look obviously tripped. If you have those types and flipping the breakers does not reset your circuit it may mean it is tripping again immediately. A simple check is to push towards the on direction on one you know is working (for instance, kitchen lights that you know are on). Note if it has no movement or minimal movement. Then press all the others and if one does appear to have a springy movement (moves in the on direction then moves back) that is different from the rest (particularly the one you know is good). That could be your culprit. If resetting without the heater plugged in does not cure the problem, then you either have a bad breaker or the outlet was damaged and the rest of the circuit in the room feeds off that outlet is dead. I would caution you about proceeding unless can definitively know you have killed power to the outlet.
Posted by Chris4x4gill2
North Alabama
Member since Nov 2008
3092 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 7:56 am to
check outside outlets for GFI as well. Could be one on a shared wall.
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:05 am to
Just checked that, and it looks fine. I'll flip the power back on and go reset all the GFCI outlets I can find.
Posted by QuietTiger
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
26256 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:11 am to
quote:

Just checked that, and it looks fine

Were the wires stuck in the back or were they hooked on the screws?
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Member since Feb 2006
58304 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:19 am to
Stuck in the back. Pulled all of them out and looked. No burns or corrosion.

Also reset every GFCI outlet I could find indoor and outdoor and it hasn't changed anything.

Two outlets in the room are working, two outlets and the light/fan are not.


Don't know if I specified earlier, but yes I unplugged the heater before doing anything else.
This post was edited on 2/29/16 at 8:23 am
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:30 am to
I killed the main before fooling around with that stuff.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
29971 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:30 am to
Assuming you have a volt meter or a power tester of some sort, check if you have power to the outlet giving you issues.
quote:

Two outlets in the room are working,


Your issue may actually be in one of these. A disconnected/loose/burnt wire in one of the working outlets that feed the rest of the room could be an issue.

One quirky possibility relates to your light switch(es). Is it possible that outlet was wired to be controlled by a light switch (i.e. a lamp was once plugged in there that was turned on/off by a switch). I hate when things are wired this way but it does happen some times. If that was the case and the heater was plugged into it, it is possible the extra load of the heater burned out the switch. If it was the same switch controlling the lights, that could be your problem. It doesn't seem likely but was just wondering.
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Member since Feb 2006
58304 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 8:33 am to
Do not have a volt meter, and I've been to lowes probably 10 times in the last month and forgot to buy one every time.

The outlets are not on a switch.
Posted by chadg
The Avoyelles Parish
Member since Dec 2007
2878 posts
Posted on 2/29/16 at 9:02 am to
Get a volt meter. Go in your service panel and check to make sure you have power from each breaker. If you have tried everything above, it sounds like you may have a bad breaker.
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