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re: Congress will not pass weapons ban
Posted on 1/14/13 at 2:53 pm to Tiguar
Posted on 1/14/13 at 2:53 pm to Tiguar
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I'd agree if the 2nd amendment didn't exist.
An we see how that worked with the last ban. You can say they won't pass another weapons ban, but since it has already happened once there is really nothing to stop them. They aren't saying you cannot go buy a new rifle, shotgun, or whatever.
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Posted on 1/14/13 at 2:53 pm to Tiguar
quote:
I'd agree if the 2nd amendment didn't exist.
Yeah, no shite. How can you say it should be up to the states?
Posted on 1/14/13 at 2:56 pm to OldSouth
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How can you say it should be up to the states?
They're not saying you cannot own a gun, but rather which ones are legal to own. That's a totally different animal. It's not a violation of my rights for me not to be able to own an Uzi. It is a violation if you tell me I cannot own any weapon.
Posted on 1/14/13 at 3:16 pm to CajunFootball
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They're not saying you cannot own a gun, but rather which ones are legal to own. That's a totally different animal. It's not a violation of my rights for me not to be able to own an Uzi. It is a violation if you tell me I cannot own any weapon.
What does the word "infringed" mean to you?
Posted on 1/14/13 at 3:19 pm to OldSouth
quote:He didn't
Yeah, no shite. How can you say it should be up to the states?
Posted on 1/14/13 at 3:30 pm to AlxTgr
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Yeah, no shite. How can you say it should be up to the states?
He didn't
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Gun control should be an issue for each state
Posted on 1/14/13 at 3:32 pm to OldSouth
You're quoting the wrong poster.
Posted on 1/14/13 at 3:34 pm to AlxTgr
No, I just wasn't talking to the guy I replied to.
Oh, the hell with it.
Oh, the hell with it.
Posted on 1/14/13 at 3:39 pm to OldSouth
quote:Yeah, that's your best option at this point.
Oh, the hell with it
Posted on 1/14/13 at 3:52 pm to dat yat
Are your rights "infringed" because you cannot buy a M2? Do I want them to make any law against my guns? Hell no...However, they have in the past and other states are doing it now. The Supreme Court didn't find a problem with the last ban nor will they find one with this one.
I'm not saying that they will impose a new law; however, it appears that they will try to do something.
An about my comment on the state should have power was taken out of context. There are many issues that I would rather our local government make a decision then be subjected to the voice of the north. This is one of them. If you can follow my logic -> We in Louisiana just passed a gun care law. That would make it pretty damn tough for anyone to make a law in this state to change our gun rights. That law however did nothing to protect us from the feds. If gun control was left up to the state then Louisian residents wouldn't even give a damn because nothing would ever come of it.
I'm not saying that they will impose a new law; however, it appears that they will try to do something.
An about my comment on the state should have power was taken out of context. There are many issues that I would rather our local government make a decision then be subjected to the voice of the north. This is one of them. If you can follow my logic -> We in Louisiana just passed a gun care law. That would make it pretty damn tough for anyone to make a law in this state to change our gun rights. That law however did nothing to protect us from the feds. If gun control was left up to the state then Louisian residents wouldn't even give a damn because nothing would ever come of it.
Posted on 1/14/13 at 3:54 pm to dat yat
quote:
They're not saying you cannot own a gun, but rather which ones are legal to own. That's a totally different animal. It's not a violation of my rights for me not to be able to own an Uzi. It is a violation if you tell me I cannot own any weapon. What does the word "infringed" mean to you?
A good law review synopsis of this argument:
Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.
reviewing - DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER, 478 F. 3d 370, June 26, 2008
This post was edited on 1/14/13 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 1/14/13 at 3:58 pm to stewie
I just find it funny that the amendment is in the context of a militia, and some want this militia to have only non-militia weapons
Posted on 1/14/13 at 4:00 pm to AlxTgr
I wish somebody would order a code red on all these anti- gun commies.
Posted on 1/14/13 at 4:07 pm to thedice20
This board is making me hate guns
Posted on 1/14/13 at 4:08 pm to AlxTgr
My tactical brass knuckles may finally have a purpose.
Posted on 1/14/13 at 4:08 pm to stewie
quote:It may or may not be. It's certainly a potential infringement of one's rights, but the SCOTUS has not squarely addressed that issue other than the term "dangerous and unusual weapons". Is an Uzi such a weapon? A semi-auto version would probably not be.
It's not a violation of my rights for me not to be able to own an Uzi.
Posted on 1/14/13 at 6:15 pm to Big Data
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My tactical brass knuckles may finally have a purpose.
yes to get in the way when you wipe your arse.....thats when the real shite goes down
Posted on 1/14/13 at 6:27 pm to MoreOrLes
Constitutional interpretation is one of the toughest things someone can do. Depending on who is in the Supreme Court, those interpretations can change over the period of 10 years. It is an extremely slippery slope, and some of the worst people(judges/lawyers) are in charge of it.
My interpretation of it is that we should be able to protect ourselves from the government. If we have BB guns and they have a fully auto 50 Cal, what good does the BB gun do us as far as protection from government goes?
The 2nd was important enough to be the actual second amendment, not the third or tenth or fourteenth, it is the second. Far too many people have zero respect for that
My interpretation of it is that we should be able to protect ourselves from the government. If we have BB guns and they have a fully auto 50 Cal, what good does the BB gun do us as far as protection from government goes?
The 2nd was important enough to be the actual second amendment, not the third or tenth or fourteenth, it is the second. Far too many people have zero respect for that
Posted on 1/14/13 at 6:31 pm to Hammertime
Most of those people don't read history anyway.
Posted on 1/14/13 at 6:38 pm to Hammertime
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we should be able to protect ourselves from the government
Trained military force > armed citizens
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My interpretation of it is that we should be able to protect ourselves
It appears the majority of the USSC in Heller agree!
"Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional."
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