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Concealed Carriers and Religion/Faith
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:20 am
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:20 am
Serious question.
For you guys that conceal carry. Have you thought about if in the unlikely situation that you have to use deadly force, are you prepared to answer your maker and possibly not go to heaven?
I'm catholic but don't attend mass regulary. I do pray every morning and pray a rosary everynight. My thoughts are that if I was to ever take someone's life defending myself or family then I would get to confession as soon as possible. Murder is a sin regardless of the reasoning if you believe the Catholic teachings. I have also made peace with myself that if I should die in a self defense situation that I may not get that chance to confess my sins. I figured spending life in Hell would be worth it knowing my wife and daughters were protected and could continue with a happy life.
Again serious question because alot of us on this board conceal carry and are Catholic.
For you guys that conceal carry. Have you thought about if in the unlikely situation that you have to use deadly force, are you prepared to answer your maker and possibly not go to heaven?
I'm catholic but don't attend mass regulary. I do pray every morning and pray a rosary everynight. My thoughts are that if I was to ever take someone's life defending myself or family then I would get to confession as soon as possible. Murder is a sin regardless of the reasoning if you believe the Catholic teachings. I have also made peace with myself that if I should die in a self defense situation that I may not get that chance to confess my sins. I figured spending life in Hell would be worth it knowing my wife and daughters were protected and could continue with a happy life.
Again serious question because alot of us on this board conceal carry and are Catholic.
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Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:25 am to ThatsAFactJack
It's not murder by definition if it's in self defense.
I like to think I would sleep just fine.
I like to think I would sleep just fine.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:25 am to ThatsAFactJack
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are you prepared to answer your maker and possibly not go to heaven?
I'd hope the Big Man would understand the reasoning.
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I'm catholic but don't attend mass regulary.
same here
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Murder is a sin regardless of the reasoning if you believe the Catholic teachings
Is self defense = murder? I view murder as killing someone with ill intent.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:29 am to Black
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I view murder as killing someone with ill intent.
who kills someone with good intent?
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:29 am to Black
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I view murder as killing someone with ill intent.
This. I don't think killing in self defense is wrong. And I'm pretty darn sure that the Catholic church doesn't either.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:30 am to Black
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Is self defense = murder? I view murder as killing someone with ill intent.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:30 am to Salmon
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who kills someone with good intent?
anytime the killing is in defense of another life or lives.
eta: against an unwarranted attack.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 8:31 am
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:32 am to ThatsAFactJack
not murder my man. Its self defense.. kill or be killed (if it came to that)
i 100% never want to use mine. But i would rather have it in case the time came where i had to protect my family and myself, than not have it.
i 100% never want to use mine. But i would rather have it in case the time came where i had to protect my family and myself, than not have it.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:32 am to ThatsAFactJack
Another example of how this board has become so shitty
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:34 am to ThatsAFactJack
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pray a rosary everynight
I bet you don't
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:37 am to ThatsAFactJack
Sounds tough to be catholic
I'm southern baptist and believe you can't lose your salvation. Translation: I'm shooting!
I'm southern baptist and believe you can't lose your salvation. Translation: I'm shooting!
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:39 am to ThatsAFactJack
Jesus gives fist bumps to those that kill scumbags in self-defense. St. Peter still gives high-fives and is pretty awkward with them though.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:41 am to ThatsAFactJack
I was raised Catholic but I would say I'm more spiritual than religious in my current state.
Think of it logically - if the greatest gift God could give you is your body and your soul, wouldn't you want to protect it from harm by any means necessary? And wouldn't the same go for the children that you and your wife brought into this world?
I also see the "turn the other cheek" thing as a form of self disrespect, so I guess my Catholic teachings haven't stuck with me forever.
I don't buy into the crap that we have been fed since childhood about all lives being precious. Those who choose to harm, steal, kill, and maim are not precious in my book. They have the free will to choose every decision they make and if they choose to do terrible things with no remorse than they are worth nothing in my book.
Think of it logically - if the greatest gift God could give you is your body and your soul, wouldn't you want to protect it from harm by any means necessary? And wouldn't the same go for the children that you and your wife brought into this world?
I also see the "turn the other cheek" thing as a form of self disrespect, so I guess my Catholic teachings haven't stuck with me forever.
I don't buy into the crap that we have been fed since childhood about all lives being precious. Those who choose to harm, steal, kill, and maim are not precious in my book. They have the free will to choose every decision they make and if they choose to do terrible things with no remorse than they are worth nothing in my book.
This post was edited on 9/15/15 at 8:44 am
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:51 am to bapple
Thou shalt not murder. Killing does not equal murder. God wasn't above slaying huge numbers for his people. I think you will be fine.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 8:54 am to ThatsAFactJack
If you think for a second God is going to send you to hell if you kill somebody trying to kill or rape your family you need to get to know him better.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:06 am to smoked hog
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Thou shalt not murder.
yeah, i don't think it's stated like so
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:07 am to bapple
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bapple
i like the cut of your jib my man
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:07 am to KingRanch
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It's not murder by definition if it's in self defense. I like to think I would sleep just fine.
I definitely agree it's not murder.
You are free to protect yourself and family.
I do think taking someone's life even in self defense would probably F with my head though. I know some people react to things like this differently than others.
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:10 am to Salmon
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I view murder as killing someone with ill intent.
who kills someone with good intent?
really dude?
I was at a woman friends house the other night.Her daughter came home and i was preparing to leave(i do not want to be in her house around teen girls at all because all it takes is for someone to accuse and your life is ruined forever) when her drunk ,ex husband started beating on the door,screaming at her and me. His fricking daughter was in the house! I issued several verbal warnings to him that i was armed and i would leave if he would just leave the premises for a minute. He did not. I told him if he came thru the door that i was going to kill him. We were on the phone with 911 at the time and they could hear me issuing the verbal warnings over and over to him.I was advised to use deadly force,by the 911 operator, if he gained entry into the home.His teen daughter ran around the back of the house and asked him to leave and he did. The police picked him up later.
So,would you think the same about me if i did have to kill this man?
Posted on 9/15/15 at 9:10 am to bapple
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bapple
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I was raised Catholic but I would say I'm more spiritual than religious in my current state.
Same here. My spirituality and faith come from my Catholic upbringing, but I am not a regular mass goer.
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I don't buy into the crap that we have been fed since childhood about all lives being precious. Those who choose to harm, steal, kill, and maim are not precious in my book. They have the free will to choose every decision they make and if they choose to do terrible things with no remorse than they are worth nothing in my book.
I don't buy that all lives are equal/precious either. It is very clear that neither did God because he cast out the "bad" angels and definitly did not treat them equally. I agree with you in prinicple.
Wanted to get some good discussion going. Because some hardcore religious people will state that regardless of intent/reasoning taking someone's life is still a sin.
I will always protect myself and family first. Like I said originally, I have made peace with whatever consequences may arise on earth or afterlife for taking someones life if it is to protect myself or family.
It took me roughly 10 years from buying a truck/house gun till I was comfortable in my own skin/mind to take the next step and persue conceal carry.
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