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Anyone's Duck dog a golden?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:09 am
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:09 am
Seems like the preference is labs. I've always had golden retrievers - great dogs. Just wondering
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:26 am to DucksnBucks37
Golden's are good, but labs are the best 
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:27 am to DucksnBucks37
I've got one. He wasn't meant to be a duck dog, but kinda got thrust in the spotlight when my lab came up missing last summer. He did pretty good for not having been worked with much. Saved me many steps. Poor dude may be back to the pine though as I have a black lab puppy coming on strong.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:30 am to DucksnBucks37
I've hunted over two golden's (not mine), but both did really well.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:45 am to TigerTreyjpg
If they are bred to be hunting dogs they are ok to good. If they come from show stock they couldn’t find a cheeseburger in a phone booth (my uncle has had 2 like this – a serious duck hunter who gets a golden from the pound and then figures it will train itself……… you can imagine how this works out and wonders why my labs run circles around the pound goldens). The drawbacks w/ any long haired dog is they take forever to dry off and they are not as cold water tolerant as labs/chessies who have an oiler coat. Also if you hunt where there are burrs, especially sand burrs it’s a nightmare w/ a long haired dog (golden, springer, Britney, etc) and be prepared for long grooming sessions w/ scissors. Would I get one, probably not just from the maintenance standpoint, they may retrieve ok, but I have better things to do than groom a dog.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:01 am to OntarioTiger
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they are not as cold water tolerant as labs/chessies who have an oiler coat.
Is this a fact? Cause that big blunderbuss of a swamp collie I have does not seem to get cold period. I hunted him is some lower teen mornings in lots of water and he didn't even remotely shiver. I just assumed they were better suited for cold than a lab.
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Also if you hunt where there are burrs, especially sand burrs it’s a nightmare w/ a long haired dog (golden, springer, Britney, etc) and be prepared for long grooming sessions w/ scissors.
This is true for sure. Pain in the arse.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:11 am to DucksnBucks37
I have hunted with and competed with Goldens in Field Trials. Any comments about the generalities of a breed are dangerous, simply because there will always be individuals from all breeds that vary. With that being said, if they are field bred, they are extremely good retrievers. The best characteristic is that they are easier to train than other retrievers, and are much less hyper and hard to live with when its not hunting season. The biggest issue with goldens that aren't truly field bred, is that they simply don't have the drive required to be good hunters. If you will take the time to be an educated buyer, it's very easy to find a well bred field golden. If you live with a retriever year yound in your house, your odds of the more enjoyable experience being with a golden are much higher.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:16 am to OntarioTiger
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If they come from show stock they couldn’t find a cheeseburger in a phone booth
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:22 am to SpencerRob
LSUballs u gotta remember I live in Canada and we hunt where its regularly single digits so the goldens I have seen don’t have the tolerance that labs/chessies do even w a vest. Rob you are right about generalities and you are right the real issue is it is hard to find a good field bred golden, much easier to find a lab/chessie bred for this. I am reluctant to talk bad about a mans dog that will get you in a fight faster than saying something bad about his wife. Just my observations on a cpl of show goldens that my uncle tried to turn into retrievers ……. The old saying of you cant make chicken salad from chicken sh........ comes to mind
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:34 am to OntarioTiger
I hunted two years with a guide with a golden and it was the best retriever I ever saw. I saw it find a wounded teal on a grass bank at least 100 yards from where it was shot. It went to the bank simply on hand signals.
I have never owned a retriever of any kind but I owned a springer and it had absolutely had the best nose I have every seen in a dog. Better than any pointer. I took her dove hunting without any training and she picked up the first one she saw killed. The problem with her was she was gun shy. She was a pet.
I watched her look for a tennis ball one time at the spot it had bounced---how much scent could possibly be left on the ground from the single bounce of a ball??
I have never owned a retriever of any kind but I owned a springer and it had absolutely had the best nose I have every seen in a dog. Better than any pointer. I took her dove hunting without any training and she picked up the first one she saw killed. The problem with her was she was gun shy. She was a pet.
I watched her look for a tennis ball one time at the spot it had bounced---how much scent could possibly be left on the ground from the single bounce of a ball??
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 9:35 am
Posted on 3/26/14 at 10:24 am to OntarioTiger
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they are not as cold water tolerant as labs/chessies who have an oiler coat.
Not true at all.
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especially sand burrs it’s a nightmare w/ a long haired dog (golden, springer, Britney, etc) and be prepared for long grooming sessions w/ scissors
True.
ETA: very important that you find a field bred breeder. Topbrass and SkyRiver are two very good golden specific breeders. Every once in awhile Wildrose will get a litter, but it's generally via dogs from breeders like those.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 10:32 am
Posted on 3/26/14 at 10:29 am to OntarioTiger
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I am reluctant to talk bad about a mans dog that will get you in a fight faster than saying something bad about his wife.
Also very true haha.
OP, I have a golden. I've hunted with many, many dogs, and she's among the best. She would be even better if not for my incompetence as a trainer. She blood trails and retrieves. She's hunting ducks at a seasoned level right now and I hope to have her at a finished level by next season, then maybe will worry about titles after that.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:12 am to bluemoons
I would have liked to see what mine would have done if I would have took the time to train him right. He's birdy as hell and has a great nose, just not a polished retriever by a long shot. He watched the white dog below bring me birds and knows he's supposed to do the same, that's the extent of his training. Still he picked up probably 250 doves last year, a few dozen ducks and tracked 2 deer successfully. Not bad for a free dog with zero training.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 11:14 am
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:29 am to DucksnBucks37
decent bitches definite better then brit lab but nothing special
Posted on 3/26/14 at 11:41 am to DucksnBucks37
I have hunted with the owner of this golden for years. Great dog. Home trained. I have a lab. Plenty birds shot over both in my life. Only thing about Goldens - especially the formally bred ones - they are smart, smart. Labs are smart too - do what they're told when told. Sometimes Goldens' (maybe its the less well trained ones) will hear a command and then decide for themselves if they think its the right one. Cant go wrong either way. If you want a Golden for the house you can't do better. Plus they do make great hunting dogs.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 12:38 pm to MrCoachKlein
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decent bitches definite better then brit lab but nothing special
What are you trying to say here?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 1:25 pm to bluemoons
I have a 6month old golden doodle that won't even chase a tennis ball not to mention bring it back. Too young or hopeless???
ETA: I'm not an avid duck hunter so no big deal either way just wondering. Most retrievers I've been around won't let you stop throwing the ball.
ETA: I'm not an avid duck hunter so no big deal either way just wondering. Most retrievers I've been around won't let you stop throwing the ball.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 3/26/14 at 1:26 pm to bbvdd
Posted on 3/26/14 at 1:38 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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chessies
Has a head harder than my wife's
Posted on 3/26/14 at 4:05 pm to OntarioTiger
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If they come from show stock
This goes for nearly all of the retriever breeds
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