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Anyone long range target shoot with 223
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:14 pm
Just got a Savage 110 223 with bull barrel. Just looking to punch paper at a couple hundred yards and shoot yotes and pigs. Most of what I see in the stores are basic 55gr fmj's. What are yall's experience with the heavier grain bullets?
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 11:17 pm
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:25 pm to jmh5724
Think yours is 1:9 twist so you should be fine with 75gr - 77gr match loads. Especially out of a barrel longer than most AR's. Heavier, longer bullets will maintain stability at longer ranges which help a lot with .223.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:31 pm to jmh5724
I've shot that exact rifle and was rather unimpressed with factory ammo.
Had a similar experience with a heavy barrel AR, but going to a match ammo was a significant improvement. Have yet to try match in the 110, but we'll end up working up a hand load for it.
Had a similar experience with a heavy barrel AR, but going to a match ammo was a significant improvement. Have yet to try match in the 110, but we'll end up working up a hand load for it.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:40 pm to Dooshay
I've only shot the 55's so far and the best I get is about 1 1/2" groups. It's the cheap AR ammo though.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:44 pm to jmh5724
Yeah we were doing a little worse than that, probably 2-3" @ 100yd with some cheap stuff. I'm confident that with match grade ammo it'll shoot a good group, but I really expected to put anything in it and drive tacks.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:38 pm to jmh5724
Lol only In the peace time Marine Corps
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:43 pm to jmh5724
Seriously in order to see that gun shine you need reloads. No reason that gun won't stack them with some reloads.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 10:17 pm to LouisianaChessie
I know a .223 gun is not suppose to fire 5.56 ammo but is the brass interchangable for reloading?
Posted on 8/4/15 at 10:48 pm to jmh5724
Yeah you're going to have to resize it anyways. Need to shoot that gun in some sandbags and see what you can get. I'd venture to say that 90% or more of the bolt .223s on the market could shoot 1 1/2" at 100 with unloads. You should be able to shoot that at 200 no problem.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:00 pm to LouisianaChessie
The gun came with a bipod but I didnt have a butt rest the only time I shot it. It belonged to a relative who passed and there was some rusting on the barrel so I had it refinished. Word is it was shooting 1" groups at 200 like you say.
I need to upgrade the scope too because it's older and getting foggy.
I need to upgrade the scope too because it's older and getting foggy.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 8/5/15 at 9:09 am to jmh5724
hell, i was pinging a 8" gong @ 250(ish)yards with entire magazines using 55grain non-match grade and an eotech red dot no magnification
you oughtta be fine your rifle, heavier bullets and a scope...
you oughtta be fine your rifle, heavier bullets and a scope...
This post was edited on 8/5/15 at 9:10 am
Posted on 8/5/15 at 9:33 am to TexasTiger34
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hell, i was pinging a 8" gong @ 250(ish)yards with entire magazines using 55grain non-match grade and an eotech red dot no magnification
you oughtta be fine your rifle, heavier bullets and a scope...
Yeah you should be good. I shot at 600 yards with a 1-6x and hitting a target about torso size with a 16" mid length 1/7 AR on 55gr factory ammo. I could hit it every 5 ish shots. I consider that pretty good given what I had. I want to upgrade the scope for more magnification and use some heavier ammo because of my twist rate.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 9:42 am to jmh5724
No such thing as a 5.56 resizing die. 5.56 NATO brass has virtually the same exterior dimensions but is slightly thicker in the webbing and neck. That means slightly less case capacity and higher case pressure when loaded the same as a commercial .223 load. That extra pressure is the issue when dealing with .223 chambers, especially the tighter ones found in bolt action rifles. I keep my NATO spec brass seperate from my .223 stuff.
This post was edited on 8/5/15 at 9:44 am
Posted on 8/5/15 at 11:08 am to Clames
People tend to over think the 5.56 vs .223 deal. The 5.56 is loaded to a little higher pressure than .223. Think of it as a .223 +P. Web thickness varies more with manufactures than .223 vs 5.56. It would be meaningless to draw brass with two different web thicknesses of such negligible amounts. The difference is in the chamber. 5.56 have slightly larger chambers for reliability purposes. Since the chambers are bigger, pressure does not spike as much as if a tighter chamber were used. So, 5.56 is loaded to slightly higher pressures to achieve the desired ballistics. By sorting brass out simply between 5.56 and .223 head stamps is not as useful as sorting them by manufacturer. For instance, compare the LC 5.56 web thickness to the .223 web thicknesses. 
Posted on 8/5/15 at 1:07 pm to jmh5724
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I know a .223 gun is not suppose to fire 5.56 ammo but is the brass interchangable for reloading?
To me, the question of 223 vs 5.56 brass is not an issue. When I develop a load for a gun it's specific for that particular lot/brand of brass. If I change lots or brand of brass, I redevelop the load to avoid any pressure issues that may occur from using different brass. Buck's pic shows the differences in brass construction quite well. In addition, powder capacity of the brass can vary from lot to lot or brand of brass. Changes in powder capacity will cause changes in the pressure of the load.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 5:58 pm to LouisianaChessie
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Seriously in order to see that gun shine you need reloads. No reason that gun won't stack them with some reloads.
1+.
Using handloads developed for it, my T/C Contender shoots routinely shoots MOA. OTOH, W/W white boc ammo struggles to shoot inside 2.5-3" at 100 yds.
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