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Anyone have experience with a camp on land on pilings?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:43 pm
In the final stages of planning new camp in Venice. Current thought is a camp in pilings about 16' in the air on the river levee. Place a manufactured home 24'x80' on pilings with a porch overlooking the river and marsh. Then place boat sheds and entertaining/cooking area under the camp.
My questions..
1. The camp by being elevated will be exposed to quite a bit of wind. How much should I expect the camp to move on a high wind day say 30 MPH winds?
2. When we cover the bottom area with Tin to make a covering on the bottom how much will this increase wind resistance and increase the wind issues with the camp?
Can anyone else think of negatives to this plan?
My questions..
1. The camp by being elevated will be exposed to quite a bit of wind. How much should I expect the camp to move on a high wind day say 30 MPH winds?
2. When we cover the bottom area with Tin to make a covering on the bottom how much will this increase wind resistance and increase the wind issues with the camp?
Can anyone else think of negatives to this plan?
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Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:49 pm to Da Hammer
You just have to make sure that the pilings are braced to one another sufficiently. If not, they'll move separately and tear up. There's a camp in Maurepas that fell in the water 1 year after it was built. I'd honestly get someone that works with that type of building to take a look at it. Our camp on Blind River was only about 8' off the water and it started to lean. We had to jack it up, level it and add a ton of bracing two years ago.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:50 pm to Da Hammer
How are you able to put it on the levee? I would have thought there would be some restrictions on that.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:52 pm to Da Hammer
Prior to Katrina we had the same setup in Delacroix with no problems. We left the bottom open and had a deck out front. So we did not have the increased resistance of an enclosed bottom, but the camp held up shockingly well. Basically it was a trailer on stilts.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:53 pm to Da Hammer
We have a 16 x 80 trailer on pilings. It is about 12 ft from the floor to the ground. You can definitely feel the wind at 30 mph, but you get used to it. When people walk down the hall you feel a slight shake.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:56 pm to Da Hammer
My answers:
1. This depends on a lot of things such as size of piles, number of piles, spacing of piles, driven depth of piles, soil type/characteristics.
2. Covering with any solid sheet wil obviously increase the surface area the wind presses on so it increases the resistance.
If you haven't gotten professional help in designing this support system, you're asking for trouble.
1. This depends on a lot of things such as size of piles, number of piles, spacing of piles, driven depth of piles, soil type/characteristics.
2. Covering with any solid sheet wil obviously increase the surface area the wind presses on so it increases the resistance.
If you haven't gotten professional help in designing this support system, you're asking for trouble.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 12:57 pm to sloopy
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How are you able to put it on the levee
It's next to the levee, not on it. Sorry for the confusion.
We are using a company that specializes in the construction do the work for us so I feel okay there. However just looking for "real world" feedback from someone that isn't trying to sell me something. So far all very good input!
Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:06 pm to Da Hammer
Definitely need to x-brace the pilings. My father-in-law's camp isn't and that damn thing shakes scarily in a wind but survived Gustave go figure. Also make sure you are above base elevation. It is a double edged sword, higher you go the liability and wind/hail increase but is a necessity to meet flood requirements. Just saw you are on a levee, you may not even need to go up 16'.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:18 pm to Da Hammer
My cousins camp in Cocodrie is 13'. Before we put cross braces, the washing machine shook the whole camp, and this is a big camp. Bracing took care of all of it. My uncle just built a camp similar to what you are saying. ..pre-fab on top of pilings. It came out awesome. It rivals the fancy custom built campus around him. You can't tell it was pre-constructed at all.
I would not attach much structure underneath the camp. Not just for wind, but tidal surge. If you do build anything, make sure it breaks away from the pilings easily
I would not attach much structure underneath the camp. Not just for wind, but tidal surge. If you do build anything, make sure it breaks away from the pilings easily
Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:21 pm to bayoudude
IMO 16' isn't high enough, at least not where we are inshore. See if you can find out how high the surge was for that area during Katrina, Rita, Isaac, Ivan and base it off that. Or maybe see how high the oldest camps are in the area.
Ours is cross-braced like a mofo and still sways in medium winds. We have the bottom open as well, but have a large sail of a front porch on it
Ours is cross-braced like a mofo and still sways in medium winds. We have the bottom open as well, but have a large sail of a front porch on it
Posted on 6/6/14 at 1:58 pm to Da Hammer
Visit BridgeSide Marina, some of their new camp/room rentals are mobile homes on stilts with deck accross the front.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:28 pm to Da Hammer
We had a very similar setup on the MS. Frame was welded to steel post. We blocked up the area below for storage and cleaning station. Water would come close to floor level but never got into trailer... Until 2011, water went over trailer. Anyway, it would rock a little in very rough weather but it was a trailer stilts. RIP duck camp V1.0.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:36 pm to Da Hammer
My home is on Pillings and tall, it moves in the wind. Just a little sway, you will get used to the movement...
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:40 pm to Vlad
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RIP duck camp V1.0.
So, plans for duck camp V.2.0?
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:43 pm to MWP
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So, plans for duck camp V.2.0?
Been in it since Fall of 2011, went to higher ground!This post was edited on 6/6/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:45 pm to Vlad
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Been in it since Fall of 2011, went to higher ground!
Cool, same turf? The big river claimed alot of camps that year.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 2:48 pm to MWP
Still hunting the same turf but gone are the days of waking up, walking downstairs and hopping in the boat.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 3:08 pm to Da Hammer
You can try it without the bracing at first, but I would definitely add bracing before closing in the bottom. You will need something to disperse the lateral forces.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 3:12 pm to bayoudude
quote:Why not a chevron brace? What the hell is wrong with a chevron brace?
Definitely need to x-brace the pilings.
Posted on 6/6/14 at 4:22 pm to Da Hammer
If money weren't an object you could build to the same specs as the new coast guard/pilot station. Solid concrete with the lowest level higher then the levee. Other then that I would either build cheap because eventually it is going to go or put in something you can haul out when another big one tears through. Our 1st camp (down river from venice) was built in '84 and lasted until '11. Pilings 5ft above the ground on a hill 5-6 ft above sea level. Rebuilt the new one 1 year later the same way. I also had access to a camp (manufactured home 3 ft above ground) that made it through the big K with only about 4ft of water in it but it was a total loss when the storm passed through 2 years ago because it was outside of the new flood wall and the water piled up. We now use 5th wheels and trailers at that site. If you have access to a road your best bet is to have something mobile.
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