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DocHoliday11
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A few questions from a first time food plotter
1. People who plant soybeans for deer, when do you plant?

2. What do you recommend to kill kudzu?

3. What do you personally plant for spring/summer food plots?


Ron Cheramie
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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
2. Kudzu is actually a very good forage for deer It's great cover and nutrition. Would not mess with it unless it's totally out of control



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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
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. People who plant soybeans for deer, when do you plant?

This is usually not a very good choice. If you have much deer pressure, they will eat them up before they get up and going. Having said that, Eagle Forage Soybeans are a decent way to go. They stay green longer and make more green matter than bean pods. Plant about the first of May.

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What do you recommend to kill kudzu?

Metsulfuron Methyl 60% DF. About 6 ozs per acre. Lots of water. If you have less than 5 acres, do it from the ground with a tank and a high pressure hose. 5 acres or more, call Provine Helicopter in Greenwood.

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What do you personally plant for spring/summer food plots?

We can't do soybeans where I am, because of the heavy deer pressure. My "go to" for summer plots is American Joint Vetch. It is slow to get started. Plant in early May and it wont really do much until about the 4th of July. It really comes into its own in August and Sept. That's when the deer are really under stress and can use it. Very high protein and tolerates extremely high deer grazing pressure.

The people who sell it to me (can't remember the name of the company, it is in Eutaw, AL) they say the biggest issue is that it gets too big and too tall and you have to keep mowing it down to keep it from getting rank and tough. But I have been planting it for years and mine never gets over ankle high.

If you have good soil, like bottom land that is good enough to grow corn on (ag field quality) then you could get Durana Clover to endure through at least the end of June, or maybe even through July. That pairs up well with Joint Vetch, because your vetch is coming on when the Durana is dropping out. But you need good dirt for Durana to really make tonnage. Same with the vetch. It likes a good site.


DocHoliday11
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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
Thanks for the informative reply. We just purchased a property last summer so didn't have time to do a real spring/summer food plot last year so this is our first go at it. based on trail cameras, i would say there are 25-30 deer that live/use our 70 acres. They spot i originally planned on doing soybeans is right at 2 acres. I will look at AJV!


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DocHoliday11
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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
Do you plant AJV alone or in a mix with anything?

Also the MSdwfp said it was good for doves as well. That would be ideal in my situation. Do you have any experience with it attracting doves or dove hunting over it?


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Also the MSdwfp said it was good for doves as well. That would be ideal in my situation. Do you have any experience with it attracting doves or dove hunting over it

No go on the doves. I am sure that theoretically it might attract some. But there are about 15 things I would plant before I would plant AJV for doves.

The only thing I have ever mixed with AJV is sunflower. Which may seem like an odd choice. But it goes down like this: AJV is very shad tolerant. So, it actually does well under the sunflowers.

Sunflowers are a big seed. So, they jump out and put on a lot of green leaves really fast. Like, plant the first of May and youve got heavy green browse by the first of June. The vetch will barely be noticeable. But, the herbicide you use over the top of the sunflowers to control grass (Select) will be ok for the AJV too.

Sunflowers drop their leaves about the end of July. (planted the first of May). So, that will "open up" the canopy and let sunlight hit the AJV, which will then "release" and really start spreading.

If you want, you can move the sunflowers sometime in August and that will help with some doves and release the AJF at the same time. You may have some doves. But I wouldn't count on it. Sunflowers are cheap. $40 for a 50# bag that will do fine on your two acres.

Disk the ground good. While it is still clotty, spread your sunflowers and some DAP 18-46-0 fertilizer. Then cover your sunflower seeds with a drag harrow until the ground is smooth. Then, come back with your vetch seed planted over the top. one #25 bag will do 2 acres fine. Do not harrow it in. Just leave it. A rain will plant it. It is a really fine seed, like clover.

Once the sunflowers are up about a foot tall, spray with Select or Poast. The deer will find them. Once they start getting brown and hard looking, mow them down with a clipper to release the AJV. You can leave 1/4 acre or so of standing sunflowers for the doves to see if you can attract any.

In October, just use a No Till drill to drill your wheat directly into the AJV. No need to disk it. A frost will kill the AJV and the wheat will come right up through it. That's your winter food plot.


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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
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What do you personally plant for spring/summer food plots?


Add a spice garden in the middle of your food plot so that the deer will already be seasoned before you harvest it.


DocHoliday11
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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
How much i owe ya


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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
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How much i owe ya

You couldn't afford me!


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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
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Add a spice garden in the middle of your food

Nah. Ole Miss football team would sniff it out and trample the place down to the dirt.


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DocHoliday11
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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
I don't doubt that at all...well gives a heads up if you come to a baseball series and i got ya covered on the left field refreshments


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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
I may do a Youtube channel for my food plots. All the ones I've seen are total garbage. The State (AL, MS, LA) Wildlife recommendations I've seen are total garbage. It's amazing how little good info there is on this subject.


DocHoliday11
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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
man do it! i watch growing deer and the hunting grounds but both those are in the Ozarks so it's more for entertainment purposes than anything else. I would seriously watch every episode of a video series set in the south on food plots and deer management


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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
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I don't doubt that at all...well gives a heads up if you come to a baseball series and i got ya covered on the left field refreshments

Will do. T4 has invited me to come up and turkey hunt with him April. I might catch a couple of games then. If your place is in MS, I would be happy to stop by and make a recommendation.


DocHoliday11
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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
It's actually in South Georgia. The wife and i are moving this summer. Thanks for the offer though
This post was edited on 2/20 at 10:22 am


tigerfoot
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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
I'm in some pretty crappy pine woods, but it did grow oats pretty well.

I have about a 1.5 acre patch that is pretty wet, but gets lots of sun. Do you think your sunflower, ajv, wheat plan would work there?


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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
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I have about a 1.5 acre patch that is pretty wet, but gets lots of sun

It should. AJV needs water. It can tolerate standing water much more than it can drought. It is not worth planting on tops of ridges, such as old logging decks in red clay pine plantations. But if you can find a bottom that retains moisture and has decent soil, then it should work. AJV is very site sensitive.


257WBY
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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
With 70 acres, you probably aren't going to make a tremendous difference with a summer plot. Consider planting clover. It will come up every year for a while and last well into the spring.


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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
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With 70 acres, you probably aren't going to make a tremendous difference with a summer plot.

Well. When bucks are stressed and need palatable protein browse in August and September, they will be hitting the AJV hard. I have bucks on camera on my AJV that will end up getting killed 2 miles away from there during the rut.

But usually every year the biggest deer we kill on the farm is the first week of Nov. We target one of the big bucks that spent the summer on the AJV. Then we drill wheat in the first of Oct and when the youth season opens the first week of Nov, theres usually some big ones still hanging around. My 15yo nephew killed a 158" that way at 4:30 on opening afternoon of youth season this year. Almost wasn't fair.

It definitely increases the number of big bucks that we kill. And it would work just as well on 70 acres as 7000 acres.


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Dylan
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re: A few questions from a first time food plotter
What part of Mississippi are you in No colors? I got a place between Utica and Vicksburg I'd love for some recommendations on summer planting based on what I have.


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