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re: 2017 Super Duty sneak peek
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:55 am to YOURADHERE
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:55 am to YOURADHERE
Real world for me is 18-19 on highway and that's running under 75.
I might get 20 w/ a tailwind.
Unless the Cummins has gotten way quieter, I'm not gonna be a candidate. Good motor, but noisy, IMO.
I might get 20 w/ a tailwind.
Unless the Cummins has gotten way quieter, I'm not gonna be a candidate. Good motor, but noisy, IMO.
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:56 am to Ice Cream Sammich
Somewhere other than the body unless they made structural compromises. I doubt a single cab short bed f150 steel body weighs 700 pounds more than an f150 aluminum body.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:02 am to VetteGuy
Yea the cummins is very noisy compared to the others. Two geartrains make lots of noise.
The powerstroke really is a good engine for a pickup truck. They need to back off of the power race, tweak their emissions controls, and they could easily break 20mpg in a 3/4 ton 4x4
The powerstroke really is a good engine for a pickup truck. They need to back off of the power race, tweak their emissions controls, and they could easily break 20mpg in a 3/4 ton 4x4
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:11 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Super crew, but yeah. You're just being silly at this point.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:13 am to VetteGuy
They're bareable now, way quieter than the older Cummins but still not as quite as the Powerstrokes.
Another Ford gripe, a 24 gallon tank on a truck that gets 15mpg = filling up every ~300 miles, I hate that. Pulling a big trailer means filling up every 200 miles. This is only on the short bed but there's clearly room for a bigger tank, Titan offers one thats over 50 gallons. Coming from my 7.3 that had a 600 mile range and probably 400+ when loaded, this bugs me.
Another Ford gripe, a 24 gallon tank on a truck that gets 15mpg = filling up every ~300 miles, I hate that. Pulling a big trailer means filling up every 200 miles. This is only on the short bed but there's clearly room for a bigger tank, Titan offers one thats over 50 gallons. Coming from my 7.3 that had a 600 mile range and probably 400+ when loaded, this bugs me.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:17 am to Ice Cream Sammich
How am I being silly?
Where is a comparison of the body weight of a 2014 steel body vs a 2015 aluminum body for the same model truck? All I've ever seen is that the curb weight for the 2015's is lower than the 2014's.
Where is a comparison of the body weight of a 2014 steel body vs a 2015 aluminum body for the same model truck? All I've ever seen is that the curb weight for the 2015's is lower than the 2014's.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:19 am to YOURADHERE
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Another Ford gripe, a 24 gallon
36 on my 150
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:21 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
On phone, but ill try to link Fords website.
Www.ford.com
I heard they got 500 out of the 700lbs by not putting rear axels in their trucks.
Www.ford.com
I heard they got 500 out of the 700lbs by not putting rear axels in their trucks.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:27 am to Ice Cream Sammich
And I'm the one being silly......
Nobody has proof that the body weighs less but everybody cites it as fact and gets butthurt when somebody questions it.
Ford has the ultimate customer/fan base.
Nobody has proof that the body weighs less but everybody cites it as fact and gets butthurt when somebody questions it.
Ford has the ultimate customer/fan base.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:48 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
Nobody has proof that the body weighs less
Not to get in the battle as I don't give a crap about fords, but in general steel is 2.5 times more dense than aluminum, so the actual difference may only be known by Ford but an aluminum body will weigh less..
Posted on 9/24/15 at 11:54 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Of course the full difference doesn't come from the body, they've cut weight other places as well. Even still the body likely accounts for a significant portion of the claimed weight loss, Ford claims that of the 700lb weight loss, roughly 450lb was cut from the body/frame.
Per THIS LINK
13.7lb saved in the fenders
35lb saved by going with a smaller axle
26.9lb saved by going to an electric parking brake
3.8lb saved in the transfer case
16.3lb saved in the knuckles
2.7lb saved in front bumper
Up to 46.4lb saved in the front/rear seats
2.5lb saved in the instrument cluster
Of course a 2014 single cab won't be 700lb lighter than a single cab 2015 but these weight savings where implimented throught, just of course with smaller margins in the smaller trucks.
Per THIS LINK
13.7lb saved in the fenders
35lb saved by going with a smaller axle
26.9lb saved by going to an electric parking brake
3.8lb saved in the transfer case
16.3lb saved in the knuckles
2.7lb saved in front bumper
Up to 46.4lb saved in the front/rear seats
2.5lb saved in the instrument cluster
Of course a 2014 single cab won't be 700lb lighter than a single cab 2015 but these weight savings where implimented throught, just of course with smaller margins in the smaller trucks.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:03 pm to PapaPogey
quote:
same thing can be said about the 3.5 Ecoboost. The real world numbers are not even close to what was advertised from day 1 of the campaign.
The EcoBoost is a great engine... for power. It sucks for mileage. My brother has one. It's only worth mentioning because, like you said, Ford's big advertising pitch about the EcoBoost was that it was this perfect world solution where it got more power and better mileage than a V8. It makes more power than all but the Dodge 6.4 and Chevy 6.2, but it does that wile getting worse mileage than the Dodge 5.7 and the Chevy 5.3. With a towing rear end ratio and 4x4, it gets around the same mileage as the Tundra 5.7, which makes almost as much power, but has greater reliability due to being naturally aspirated and made by Toyota.
Don't get me wrong, I like the EcoBoost, but it was disingenuous for Ford to have pitched it as a fuel-sipper. Maybe it is if you never ever get on the gas, but if you have to accelerate to change lanes, go up a hill, or merge onto the highway, it goes into mega-fuel-guzzling full-boost mode and all the advantages of low displacement go out the tailpipe in a hurry.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:07 pm to YOURADHERE
So that settles it. In the best case the aluminum body and frame modification saves 450 pounds, not 700. Frame modification may or may not be a significant part of that 450.
The point I'm trying to make here is that going to an aluminum body is not responsible for shaving 700 pounds from curb weight across the board. A significant portion of that comes from other other changes which are independent of body material. Are the savings in fuel from having an aluminum body worth the increase in price of manufacturing the body? I highly doubt it.
The point I'm trying to make here is that going to an aluminum body is not responsible for shaving 700 pounds from curb weight across the board. A significant portion of that comes from other other changes which are independent of body material. Are the savings in fuel from having an aluminum body worth the increase in price of manufacturing the body? I highly doubt it.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:09 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:11 pm to YOURADHERE
quote:
Another Ford gripe, a 24 gallon tank
Yeah this is a PITA...that was all about crash testing, they had to add the DEF tank and relocating fuel requires re crash testing.
I'm betting new one will be 30+.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:13 pm to Cooter Davenport
Turbos are old tech. I wouldn't worry about reliability.
Their whole purpose is so you can push air and fuel through a small engine like its a big one. You're essentially creating displacement when under load.
IMO, all engines should be turbocharged. I love turbos. They are not miracle devices though. horsepower always costs fuel.
Their whole purpose is so you can push air and fuel through a small engine like its a big one. You're essentially creating displacement when under load.
IMO, all engines should be turbocharged. I love turbos. They are not miracle devices though. horsepower always costs fuel.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:14 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Another case of Ford marketing being disingenuous. Their advertisements strongly imply that the body panels themselves saved 700 pounds, which sounded crazy to me from the get-go. They didn't. They saved ~400. The rest came out of the axles, seats, suspension components, and parking break mechanism, among other miscellaneous weight savings. All of that is great so long as quality and reliability wasn't sacrificed in the process, but it still means they basically lied about the body panels.
GM is guilt of this too though. They advertise the "new" 5.3 with fuel efficiency numbers that are based on stripped-down 2WD regular cab short-beds with the weakest gearing know to mankind. If you want a trailer package - and I don't know why you'd by a pickup without one - poof! the gearing makes those mileage figure instantly go up in smoke.
GM is guilt of this too though. They advertise the "new" 5.3 with fuel efficiency numbers that are based on stripped-down 2WD regular cab short-beds with the weakest gearing know to mankind. If you want a trailer package - and I don't know why you'd by a pickup without one - poof! the gearing makes those mileage figure instantly go up in smoke.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:17 pm to Cooter Davenport
They all do it one way or another. It's marketing. They're always going to advertise the best possible case to sell stuff.
Ford just seems to get a free pass from its customers to tell them whatever they want with no lost sales.
Ford just seems to get a free pass from its customers to tell them whatever they want with no lost sales.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:17 pm to YOURADHERE
quote:
24 gallon tank on a truck that gets 15mpg = filling up every ~300 miles
100% agree.
Titan is selling bigger tanks, but I don't know if you re-cal Miles to empty, etc.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:19 pm to VetteGuy
Got a 32 gallon tank on my Ram and love it. As long as I have a truck, it'll have the optional larger tank.
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