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WWII history buffs - Pacific theater island hopping

Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:06 am
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:06 am
Watching in HD and it has got me wondering why we didn't just bomb the shite out of or totally bypassed many of the little atolls and islands we lost so many men on. Especially late in the war when most of these islands were cutoff with no way to leave we could have just bombed them or let them starve. I know some of the bigger islands were needed for staging points and air fields, not taking about those. I am talking the battle of Tarawa and the like.
This post was edited on 12/12/15 at 10:16 am
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:07 am to
We did. They were dug in.
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:11 am to
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We did. They were dug in.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:12 am to
At that point we bombed the shite out of every island or strip of land before troops ever landed on the beaches. but as the other poster mentioned, they were dug in, had endless cave systems and bunkers.

As soon as the bomber left and the boys landed , they came crawling out like roaches.
This post was edited on 12/12/15 at 10:14 am
Posted by sullivanct19a
Florida
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:13 am to
look at the natural resources Japan has and how they must expand their footprint to compensate for shortcomings.
Posted by Festus
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:13 am to
They were just talking about this. We bombed the shite out of them. Dude said he would have bet his sea rations that there was no one alive left. But when they went in by ground, there was still a huge fight to be had. Those japs knew how to dig in.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19575 posts
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:14 am to
I know we bombed the shite out of them, then we landed and dug them out. My question is why we didnt just bypass them. Like I said they were stuck on these islands. They really didnt pose an a threat, we could have just left them and let them starve.
Posted by TROLA
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:16 am to
Needed the forward operation centers with the capability to house aircraft..

We did bomb the shite out of those islands and we did bypass some..
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:16 am to
quote:

Watching in HD and it has got me wondering why we didn't just bomb the shite out of or totally by pass many of the little atolls and islands we lost some many men on.


We bypassed a shite load of them. One could even say we hopped over some of the islands.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:19 am to
the US Navy seeking an all out battle with the Imperial Navy would have been playing into Japanese strategy. Japan wanted a decisive battle with the US Navy and figured that once they won it, the US would seek a negotiated peace. If the US Navy steamed straight for Japan, it would have been attacked by airplane, cruiser and destroyer forces operating from Japanese island bases and whittled down until the main force of the IJN moved in for the kill.

Conventional military wisdom held that fleets were vulnerable to land-based planes. Not only were land-based planes generally better than their carrier-based equivalents, airfields were far more difficult to destroy than carriers. The US could compensate for its relative weakness in carriers by capturing island outposts and building airstrips on them. The airfields could threaten both the IJN and Japanese outposts and support further advances. The US adopted its island-hopping strategy out of necessity, not because it had the strength to do otherwise.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:19 am to
We bypassed shite loads of islands. The islands we took were deemed strategically valuable for the ultimate advance on mainland Japan. Whether for airfields, supply depots, whatever.

Rabaul is a perfect example of the island hopping strategy and it was a major Japanese stronghold.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19575 posts
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:19 am to
I am sure we did it just seems like there really only a handful of islands we needed for FOBs and air strips. There were plenty of islands we could have skipped it seem like.
Posted by tom1987
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:23 am to
I've been pulling up these islands on Google earth as I've watched this morning. It would be fascinating to visit these islands now.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:23 am to
People seriously overestimate the power of bombing. It's very effective against mainly above ground targets in urban or soft soil locations. But when you have security defenses built deep underground in rock, it's a crap shoot as to effectiveness.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:24 am to
The Australians and the Kiwis had raids against New Britain and RaBaul after it's capture, but it's position wasn't really one the US deemed necessary for invasion of the home islands. They still had like 70,000 Japanese soldiers in Raubal after the surrender.

Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19575 posts
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:26 am to
Okay I guess I should have left bombing out, thats seems to be confusing people on my actual point of just bypassing them because they were stuck and posed no imminent threat.
Posted by tom1987
Member since Aug 2011
618 posts
Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:31 am to
I think there was some controversy over time and manpower spent on some of these piss ant islands. I read Sledge's book, With The Old Guard and I think he discussed that. His book was one of the ones they used to make "The Pacific".
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:40 am to
quote:

I think there was some controversy over time and manpower spent on some of these piss ant islands. I read Sledge's book, With The Old Guard and I think he discussed that. His book was one of the ones they used to make "The Pacific".


OP based on what I recall from history, this answer is closest to the probable truth. I'm sure there was tons of discussion during planning WRT which islands to take as opposed to which ones to skip.

There may have been a few taken that ultimately weren't necessary to take. However, in the end, the planners did hop over many islands and probably got close to implementing the best plan possible.

ALL of the islands were defended by the Japanese because the Japanese defense plan was to build up a defensive ring of fortified islands "radiating" out from the Japanese homeland. Keep in mind that as little as 5,000 dug-in defenders in rough terrain would turn a small isolated island into a very hard fortified target that had to be attacked frontally by infantry (because there were no flanks).

Attacking US infantry would take many casualties before they could manage to SPOT the bunkers and pillboxes raking them with MG fire and light cannon fire (which probably had canister fire rounds). Can you imagine how hard it is to take an enemy pillbox that raking your field of advance with canister and machine gun fire?
This post was edited on 12/12/15 at 10:44 am
Posted by EmperorGout
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/12/15 at 10:42 am to
MacArthur and the Army bypassed when they could, Nimitz and the Marines really didn't. Many historians question the necessity of some of those bloody battles, especially towards the end of the war.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15072 posts
Posted on 12/12/15 at 11:06 am to
I worked with a guy that fought in the Pacific. He said the Japs were some fierce fighters with no quit in them. Death or victory were their only options. He said they had to go tunnel to tunnel and kill them all with fire or any means necessary.

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