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World War II's strangest battle: When U.S. and German soldiers fought together
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:33 pm
Tomorrow (May 5) marks the 70th anniversary of what could possibly be the last battle of World War II in Europe. And it is indeed a strange one, as the Dailybeast writes in an article from two years ago:
Link to the article
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Days after Hitler’s suicide a group of American soldiers, French prisoners, and, yes, German soldiers defended an Austrian castle against an SS division—the only time Germans and Allies fought together in World War II. Andrew Roberts on a story so wild that it has to be made into a movie.
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The battle for the fairytale, 13th century Castle Itter was the only time in WWII that American and German troops joined forces in combat, and it was also the only time in American history that U.S. troops defended a medieval castle against sustained attack by enemy forces. To make it even more film worthy, two of the women imprisoned at Schloss Itter—Augusta Bruchlen, who was the mistress of the labour leader Leon Jouhaux, and Madame Weygand, the wife General Maxime Weygand—were there because they chose to stand by their men. They, along with Paul Reynaud’s mistress Christiane Mabire, were incredibly strong, capable, and determined women made for portrayal on the silver screen.
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There are two primary heroes of this—as I must reiterate, entirely factual—story, both of them straight out of central casting. Jack Lee was the quintessential warrior: smart, aggressive, innovative—and, of course, a cigar-chewing, hard-drinking man who watched out for his troops and was willing to think way, way outside the box when the tactical situation demanded it, as it certainly did once the Waffen-SS started to assault the castle. The other was the much-decorated Wehrmacht officer Major Josef ‘Sepp’ Gangl, who died helping the Americans protect the VIPs. This is the first time that Gangl’s story has been told in English, though he is rightly honored in present-day Austria and Germany as a hero of the anti-Nazi resistance.
Link to the article
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:35 pm to RollTide1987
Tide we got any pics on those two ladies held captive?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:46 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Mssr. & Madame Mabire
Madam Weygand, General Weygand and Unidentified upon their liberation in 1945:
They had not yet (obviously) invented milfs yet.
Madam Weygand, General Weygand and Unidentified upon their liberation in 1945:
They had not yet (obviously) invented milfs yet.
This post was edited on 5/4/15 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 5/4/15 at 10:49 pm to RollTide1987
Dude Garth already knew this, and his grandad was there. And he has written many papers on the subject
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:25 pm to RollTide1987
So why did they fight together?
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:31 pm to RollTide1987
Despite the fact this may be Germans, I'm very excited to read it. Thanks for sharing.
And your title is better than the other...
And your title is better than the other...
Posted on 5/4/15 at 11:34 pm to John McClane
quote:We see what you did here.
Despite the fact this may be Germans,
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:31 am to RollTide1987
quote:
quote: Days after Hitler’s suicide a group of American soldiers, French prisoners, and, yes, German soldiers defended an Austrian castle against an SS division—the only time Germans and Allies fought together in World War II. Andrew Roberts on a story so wild that it has to be made into a movie.
Does it really have to be made into a movie?
Posted on 5/5/15 at 12:45 am to RollTide1987
That is a very strange battle, for sure.
They should make a movie about it.
My guess is that the 150 or so 17th SS Division soldaten that attacked were French SS men, i.e. from France. That Waffen SS division had some French soldiers.
Why were the French attacking after Hitler was dead?
Well, some of the prisoners in that location were important French generals and politicians from the French Republic that fell in May, 1940.
The French Waffen SS soldaten figured that if they could get rid of these important French Republic generals and politicians, they might have a better chance of returning to France without being executed as traitors.
I have no idea, I'm just making an educated guess. This attack on this POW center is strange. Surely the 150 or so Waffen SS French soldaten knew that Hitler was dead. I'd very much like to know more about their motives. Sure, they were probably ordered to execute the POWs, but, still, many such orders were disobeyed after Hitler's death.
They should make a movie about it.
My guess is that the 150 or so 17th SS Division soldaten that attacked were French SS men, i.e. from France. That Waffen SS division had some French soldiers.
Why were the French attacking after Hitler was dead?
Well, some of the prisoners in that location were important French generals and politicians from the French Republic that fell in May, 1940.
The French Waffen SS soldaten figured that if they could get rid of these important French Republic generals and politicians, they might have a better chance of returning to France without being executed as traitors.
I have no idea, I'm just making an educated guess. This attack on this POW center is strange. Surely the 150 or so Waffen SS French soldaten knew that Hitler was dead. I'd very much like to know more about their motives. Sure, they were probably ordered to execute the POWs, but, still, many such orders were disobeyed after Hitler's death.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 12:50 am
Posted on 5/5/15 at 2:43 am to Champagne
Also, the last German soldiers fighting in Berlin was a French Waffen-SS unit.
This post was edited on 5/5/15 at 2:44 am
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