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re: Will Smith Murder Trial-Guilty of manslaughter and attempted manslaughter
Posted on 12/10/16 at 12:07 am to rt3
Posted on 12/10/16 at 12:07 am to rt3
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so... at the moment they were shot... Racquel and Will were having a conversation amongst themselves (and Will was facing away from his car)? that's essentially what's being thrown out right here ok then... they're absolutely no threat at that moment... in fact they're completely exposed
This is what I'm saying. I don't know what Ch motivation was I don't care.
IT WAS NOT REASONABLE FOR HIM TO BE IN FEAR FOR HIS LIFE AT THAT MOMENT.
Unless he says something earth shattering, he should be found gu9ilty of 2nd Degree, IMO.
frick all this coulda, shoulda, woulda bullshite being slung around. The evidence supports none of it. No reason for CH to be in fear of grave bodily injury.
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 12:25 am to SuperSaint
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Has anyone noticed how pathetic of an OP post we got that's stickied kind of funny
quote: So far OPSO Deputies just made a potential juror remove a @Saints sweatshirt going into #WillSmithTrial @wdsu
I think it sets a good tone for the thread with the over the top fan-boys that already convicted Cardell before the gun was cold.
SS, you magnificent bastard. Nailed it. I don't give a frick either way how the trial goes. I hope Hayes gets a fair trial and whatever the jury decides is all that matters as long as it's fair. But it's pretty insulting to the system that the government uses emotional tactics like parading Saints players in front of the jury to win. Only saints superfans and fascists are cool with that type of emotional misuse of governmental power.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 12:26 am
Posted on 12/10/16 at 12:36 am to Sid in Lakeshore
One of my biggest problems with understanding the events is where racquel smith end d up.
If she is shot in the legs, which we know as fact, why did she crawl around and to the sidewalk of the passenger side of the Smith's vehicle? Especially knowing that more shots had been fired and being concerned about her husband.
I find this entire situation bizarre. From the night of the shooting all the way through the trial. Much of the prosecutions case left me asking more questions. Which by most logic would think that the defense has the opportunity to take advantage of the confusion and present a case to the jury about confusion. Instead the defense brings in a number of witnesses that solidified the prosecutions case of murder.
At this point Hayes testifying that he was scared and feared he was about to die is the only way that he walks out of the courtroom with a not guilty verdict.
Fuller was supposed to be a good defense attorney and at this point he looks like a bumbling idiot with the presentation of his case so far.
If she is shot in the legs, which we know as fact, why did she crawl around and to the sidewalk of the passenger side of the Smith's vehicle? Especially knowing that more shots had been fired and being concerned about her husband.
I find this entire situation bizarre. From the night of the shooting all the way through the trial. Much of the prosecutions case left me asking more questions. Which by most logic would think that the defense has the opportunity to take advantage of the confusion and present a case to the jury about confusion. Instead the defense brings in a number of witnesses that solidified the prosecutions case of murder.
At this point Hayes testifying that he was scared and feared he was about to die is the only way that he walks out of the courtroom with a not guilty verdict.
Fuller was supposed to be a good defense attorney and at this point he looks like a bumbling idiot with the presentation of his case so far.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 12:56 am to TigerFred
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If she is shot in the legs, which we know as fact, why did she crawl around and to the sidewalk of the passenger side of the Smith's vehicle?
If you were in that same situation and couldn't walk, wouldn't you try to get away from a gunman? Or would you lay in the street terrified that you'd get shot again?
I don't think she crawled to the passenger sidewalk. I think she was shot when she was standing near the driver's door of the Benz and crawled between parked cars to get to the driver's side sidewalk.
What made you think that "she crawl(ed) around and to the sidewalk of the passenger side of the Smith's vehicle?"
Posted on 12/10/16 at 12:57 am to TigerFred
She wasn't riding in the front seat of the Benz. Will and Shirtless were up front and the wives were in the back seat.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:01 am to TigerFred
quote:I would like to go back and read her testimony
TigerFred
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:11 am to Red Stick Tigress
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What made you think that "she crawl(ed) around and to the sidewalk of the passenger side of the Smith's vehicle?"
Wasnt her blood found on the street on the passenger side of the Benz? I'm sure Dexter504boy knows
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 1:12 am
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:17 am to tigerpimpbot
This keeps sticking in my mind.........
Danny Monteverde ?@DCMonteverde Hayes reportedly had a .45-caliber gun the night of the shooting. All casings found were near Smith's Mercedes. One casing found in the SUV.
Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate Detective: All of the casings were in very close proximity to Smith's Mercedes. 1 was on the driver's seat. None near defendant's car.
Danny Monteverde ?@DCMonteverde Hayes reportedly had a .45-caliber gun the night of the shooting. All casings found were near Smith's Mercedes. One casing found in the SUV.
Ramon Antonio Vargas ?@RVargasAdvocate Detective: All of the casings were in very close proximity to Smith's Mercedes. 1 was on the driver's seat. None near defendant's car.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:35 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Racquel Smith said she and Will were walking back to her car when she heard 'a pop pop.' — Ramon Antonio Vargas (@RVargasAdvocate) December 6, 2016
Racquel Smith: I felt burning all through my body. I just grabbed my legs. I didn't know I'd been shot. I collapsed. I played dead. — Ramon Antonio Vargas (@RVargasAdvocate) December 6, 2016
Racquel Smith: 'I played dead. I didn't know if he was going to come back and shoot me.' Shudders. 'I just lay there.' — Ramon Antonio Vargas (@RVargasAdvocate) December 6, 2016
Racquel Smith: I heard more shooting then someone say, 'You wanna show off for the effing white boy? Now, look at you now.' — Ramon Antonio Vargas (@RVargasAdvocate) December 6, 2016
this is the most important part if other witnesses can back it up
ADA: Did anyone make any physical contact with anyone in Hayes' Hummer? Racquel Smith: 'absolutely not.' — Ramon Antonio Vargas (@RVargasAdvocate) December 6, 2016
Some other dude claimed they were slap fighting......
Not execution worthy, IMHO
Racquel Smith: I felt burning all through my body. I just grabbed my legs. I didn't know I'd been shot. I collapsed. I played dead. — Ramon Antonio Vargas (@RVargasAdvocate) December 6, 2016
Racquel Smith: 'I played dead. I didn't know if he was going to come back and shoot me.' Shudders. 'I just lay there.' — Ramon Antonio Vargas (@RVargasAdvocate) December 6, 2016
Racquel Smith: I heard more shooting then someone say, 'You wanna show off for the effing white boy? Now, look at you now.' — Ramon Antonio Vargas (@RVargasAdvocate) December 6, 2016
this is the most important part if other witnesses can back it up
ADA: Did anyone make any physical contact with anyone in Hayes' Hummer? Racquel Smith: 'absolutely not.' — Ramon Antonio Vargas (@RVargasAdvocate) December 6, 2016
Some other dude claimed they were slap fighting......
Not execution worthy, IMHO
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 1:36 am
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:36 am to tigerpimpbot
This is why I think she was on the driver's sidewalk. It seems like the final seconds of the video is of her.
Will Smith shooting scene video
Will Smith shooting scene video
Posted on 12/10/16 at 1:56 am to Red Stick Tigress
Damn that video is sad. Frick. I still can't figure out what happened by following the testimony via tweets, but that video is terrible. What a tragedy
Posted on 12/10/16 at 2:15 am to Red Stick Tigress
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But the question remains: Why did Hayes exit his vehicle with gun in hand, pocket or waistband? He didn't return to the vehicle to obtain said gun.
Because he's in NOLA at night and not in Portland where you don't have to have your head on a swivel.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 2:46 am to SuperSaint
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He could have been point blank changing cardell and cardell decides to pull the gun and within fractions of a second WS turns and gets the first bullet in the side and second in the back. Not far fetched and with judgment literally being fractions of a second and having fear for your life:
Sounds like Ferguson
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 2:47 am
Posted on 12/10/16 at 3:18 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:52 am to TigerFred
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uller was supposed to be a good defense attorney and at this point he looks like a bumbling idiot with the presentation of his case so far
Exactly my thoughts. I thought Hayes would end up walking, until Friday afternoon happened.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 5:33 am to potent357
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You say that as if it is a justifiable action? If WS had been moving towards him your point may be valid. But he was not.
I never said anything like that.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 5:40 am to Red Stick Tigress
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She had gunshot wounds to both legs by I think only one bullet, meaning she couldn't have been facing hayes, she had to be standing sideways, i.e. facing the driver's door of the Benz.
ive been saying that from the start. she is pushing smith toward the driver door.
what I dont understand is why has nobody really tried to reconstruct the scene in the trial? at this point I really dont feel like we know where anyone really was. how far was hayes from the door of the MB. where exactly was mrs smith when she was shot. where was smith standing? seems like those facts would be pretty important to determine state of mind.
if mrs smith is standing on the sidewalk, based on her saying she collapsed and was trying to crawl to will, and will was standing by the door of the MB, where he collapsed, that would mean that hayes had to turn and shoot her then turn back and shoot smith. I feel like neither team has even focused on the circumstances of mrs smith being shot. we dont know the trajectory of the bullet wounds on her. I dont know. seems like that would go good for someone.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 6:52 am to diat150
Two shots two wounds two legs
Posted on 12/10/16 at 7:15 am to Chad504boy
THey said durng trial 1 shot both legs
Posted on 12/10/16 at 7:16 am to Peazey
I think Hayes has to take the stand today. He's going to have a difficult time proving he wasn't the aggressor that night. You follow someone, intentionally run into the back of their car, get out with a gun(illegal since he did not have a concealed carry license), and then shoot him once in the side as he stands straight up and away from the car and then unload in his back. He also has to justify his shot to RS which will be very tough.
Obviously both parties made big mistakes. Both groups would've jumped out of the car furious after intentionally being slammed into.
The expert witness that showed without a doubt that Hayes intentionally slammed into the back of Smith's car as Smith came to a gradual stop means more to me than what all witnesses have said combined. That was huge.
Obviously both parties made big mistakes. Both groups would've jumped out of the car furious after intentionally being slammed into.
The expert witness that showed without a doubt that Hayes intentionally slammed into the back of Smith's car as Smith came to a gradual stop means more to me than what all witnesses have said combined. That was huge.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 7:19 am
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